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There have been circumpolar trips. I have flown the entirety around the globe on different trips. My parents have done it in different directions, on several occasions.

As for the earth being curved?
Airplanes, sensibly, will always take the shortest distance between their departure and and arrival point. To do that on a flat earth, they would be following a straight latitudinal line. But they don't do that at all. The follow curved travel lines.



Why would airlines travel an extra few hundred kilometers in wasted fuel by going in these archs if the earth was flat?
 
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So again, other people are lying, that's why you know the truth. Correct?

I'm curious if you recognize how few of your arguments thus far have anything to do with science and everything to do with conspiratorial professional relationships and lying about other people's motivations when you have no concept of the truth to to that regard

My brother, you are not aware of the words you share then. That or you believe someone else who bears false witness.


So again, the FE argument is reduced to bearing false witness against millions of people.

Too often I hear from FEers about how "they have evidence of ____" but I have literally never seen them provide a single piece of actual, strong evidence (if any at all). And FEers always talk about the "they". It's so easy to believe anything "they" say. But let me tell you, I'll believe Copernicus, Galileo and that ilk.

Given your background in science, I am excited to see ACTUAL evidence and not simply "the government" tinhattery. I assume the science you studied for years to become accomplished enough to work in the greatest space agency in the planet was not easily abandoned. What was your role at NASA? Engineer?

So I can't help but think that you will be able to provide some completely astounding, dumbfounding, mind morphing evidence. I mean, I've seen nothing close to that yet but is it safe to say that it's coming?
 
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A few years ago my daughter flew from Toronto to Hong Kong ---- almost due north over the Arctic close to the pole and then south over Siberia, Mongolia and China. Way shorter than simply flying west and a bit south.
 
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Indeed, they're not sure.
But that doesn't make the phenomenon less real.
I don't think you will find anyone that doesn't think that things fall down. That heavier items will push lighter items out of the way. That light things like a helium balloon will rise up through the heavier atmosphere.... nobody.
 
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Well, maybe it's because now, with the internet, people who have been observing odd things about this universe can now get together and talk about it and compare notes. Previously, they would have been ridiculed and shunned.... never allowed a voice. But.. now they are united....

Not only that, but now, people are able to take the photos that NASA puts out and investigate them.. show that they are fake... show cloned cloud formations... duplicates and different sizes.

And, on top of that, they have access to cameras that can zoom to great amounts and, through digital technology, they don't have to wait to get them developed before they can make adjustments and hone in on high resolution pictures of our heavenly bodies.
One other thing is that they are able to research all the things that they never taught in school.. that are just as real as the things they did teach... or... finding the truth about the things that were taught that were not true... Like Columbus discovering America FALSE....

Add to that the fact that we can research the different archeological structures that defy modern science and have existed since ancient times...

Yes, the information explosion has opened up a treasure trove of things that would not be known otherwise.. and... it can be spread though the world of inquiring minds.

Now.. if you want to hang on to the old stand by academic drivel... go ahead.. But all will be exposed.
 
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And the most paranoid chickens keep staring at the abyss trying to create evidence from nothing.
I love this kind of response... It has no basis or point.. and.. it has no reference as to which camp it supports... it is basically a ridicule that has no clout, support or validation.. It says.. nothing.
 
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So because NASA are untrustworthy freemasons that have been caught lying and misrepresenting stuff, the earth is flat?
LOL
No. Stop and think... Because NASA has lied and put out disingenuous images.. fakery... and such... Their data is inadmissible. They are no longer a valid source.

In court, their testimony would be worthless.


Now. Try to prove the globe..... without NASA.
 
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In an organization, like NASA, people are compartmentalized and one hand does not know what the other is doing...
This is an argument that is used a lot.. People think that they have put an end to the debate. But... they don't understand how easy it is to be told.. "it's a need to know basis and you don't need to know".

In my place of work.. there are only 6 departments and I would have no clue what goes on in the other ones.. except... I have worked in almost all of them.

They no longer move people around like that and one employee is oblivious to the work of others...

If you think that there is no collaboration between space programs of all the countries... ask yourself why the Antarctic treaty has lasted for almost 60 years.. with no disputes.
 
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Wow, 3 seconds of the "Billion dollar view", .. with a cheap fisheye lens camera like Baumgartner's free-fall jump, .. only his curvature of the globe was far greater then this one!?
My favorite photos and vids are when the so called photographer is on the ground and there is curvature.... Nice...Visible curvature from 0 feet.
 
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Well, I'm happy that you are content with your opinion.

As for me, I will continue to search to find out which is the truth.
 
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How on earth would you know if the plane you were on flew a curved path or a straight path... The lines on your map are projected as if it is a globe... it's proof of nothing.
 
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That's my point.
And i literally said it too:
No need for flying freemasons and their ambiguous video footage.
So i find proof for the globe elsewhere.
 
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I don't think you will find anyone that doesn't think that things fall down. That heavier items will push lighter items out of the way.
That's gravity pulling harder on high density objects than on low density objects.
F = m × g
Increasing mass (m) increases F (force).
Without gravity this would not be the case.
When g is zero, F is also zero, even if m is 1,000,000 kg.
Without gravity light things would not float on heavy things.
 
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That only looks curved on a flat map though.
On a globe they would be straight lines, only curved along the global curvature.
 
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Or.... buoyancy. We already discussed that it is the source of gravity that is illusive...

Yours is just a theory... like people discussing how they get the caramel inside the caramilk bar...We know it's there but your guess and my guess as to how it gets there are never proven.
 
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That only looks curved on a flat map though.
On a globe they would be straight lines, only curved along the global curvature.
What would be a formula that describes the curve?
Do you accept 8" per mile squared?
 
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Or.... buoyancy.
Same thing.
We already discussed that it is the source of gravity that is illusive...
No, buoyancy works because of gravitational pull.
Heavy things sink under lighter things.
Does not apply when there is no gravity.

Yours is just a theory... like people discussing how they get the caramel inside the caramilk bar...We know it's there but your guess and my guess as to how it gets there are never proven.
Nonsense and a silly comparison..
It's a PROVEN theory.
In fact, the theory is derived from experiments. Man discovers laws of physics.
It's basic Newtonian physics.
You can prove it every day with simple experiments.
That doesn't mean or require you must know what causes it though.

Look, if you think buoyancy has nothing to do with gravity, you just lack basic understanding of physics.
 
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