There Are Good People On Both Sides

[Hank77]

I was saying that the non- identitarian alt-right were not there.

Who is that?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Here's what the Jews of Charlottesville experienced as these "good people" Trump speaks of, went about their day of protest:

No, Trump denounced and condemned the people doing that.

No matter how it is spun and repeated the truth is self evident. And it is becoming increasingly clear that no matter what the President says it will never be accepted by the radical press and all the haters.

 

[mark46]

The tea party hasn't been relevant in years. What are you talking about?

Call them the Freedom coalition or freedom caucus. Call them what you will.

 

[mark46]

Consider how everyone would have reacted if instead of nazi and KKK terrorists, the rally was called by radical islamist terrorists.

Does anyone think that the president would be saying there was fault on both sides?

 

[variant]

No, Trump denounced and condemned the people doing that.

No matter how it is spun and repeated the truth is self evident. And it is becoming increasingly clear that no matter what the President says it will never be accepted by the radical press and all the haters.

It's partially because the people he spoke of who were "fine people" that weren't part of those groups or racists and hateful in their own right and only there to protest a monument being removed are figments of his imagination.

 

[variant]

Consider how everyone would have reacted if instead of nazi and KKK terrorists, the rally was called by radical islamist terrorists.

Does anyone think that the president would be saying there was fault on both sides?

I know for a fact that Trump wouldn't have gone out of his way to mention the fine people on the Islamic side.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Trump is lying? Does she think he was at Charlottesville or something? He looked at the facts that were available to him, and came to a conclusion as to what happened. As he pointed out, one side had a permit to rally, the other did not.

We're not exactly talking about a disinterested witness here either. There are other witnesses too...

The System Revealed: Antifa, Virginia Politicians And Police Work Together To Shut Down #UniteTheRight

The mask is off.

There can be no further delusions nor any more comforting lies. “America” and the supposed “freedoms” guaranteed by its Constitution are as relevant today as the Holy Roman Empire’s claims to sovereignty or the head of the House of Stuart boasting about being King of England.

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In Charlottesville, Virginia, the police department openly attacked a demonstration in defense of European-American heritage. They did these despite the Unite The Right rally having secured a permit (after legal action) and having every right to host its peaceful demonstration in defense of the Robert E. Lee statue.

“Antifa,” the openly communist, anti-white and violent thugs who exist solely to attack European-Americans, were out in force in the city, using the cowardly tactics they specialize in: spraying demonstrators with mace, throwing bottles and bricks, and attacking people with weapons (including a homemade flamethrower).

It is quite true, as VDARE.com reported, that the police did not protect demonstrators from Antifa and did little to prevent confrontations. Attendees of the demonstration, rather than walking a clear path to the park, were instead forced to walk through a line of screaming protesters. Liberal clergyman and elderly women held signs about “peace” and “love” and smiled benevolently—as violent Leftist protesters attacked from the crowd. They are as culpable as the Antifa themselves for the violence unleashed.


But that was not close to the worst. Demonstrators did not need protection from Antifa. All the police would have had to do to ensure a safe demonstration was simply go home—which is what happened in Berkeley. Patriots equipped with shields, inured to Antifa tactics of throwing bricks and spraying mace, had secured Lee Park (excuse me, “Emancipation Park”) and may indeed have outnumbered both Antifa and counter-demonstrators in terms of pure numbers. Several were armed, and the city fathers should be offering Unite The Right activists tearful tributes for the latter’s saint-like restraint in not opening fire despite more than justified provocation.

If police had done nothing, the public would have been safer. Instead, unforgivably, the police attacked (not dispersed—attacked) the legal demonstration, threatening attendees with arrest if they stayed in Lee Park.

Then activists, totally unprotected by police, were deliberately funneled into a gauntlet of attacking Communists, in a kind of Kill Zone. Injuries on both sides were predictable. (Of course, much like cuckservatives who bow and scrape to the Main Stream Media, the police were then insulted by the Communists for their trouble.

This could have been a relatively stable situation: a patriot demonstration protected by its own shield wall (and ideally, by police who actually did their job) along with a separate group of Leftist protesters, with both groups enjoying the right to free speech supposedly guaranteed them by the Constitution.

Instead, the police precipitated a running battle which engulfed all of Charlottesville. The result: Antifa running wild and chasing down isolated pockets of Unite The Right attendees as the latter defended themselves as best they could, with bystanders were caught in the melee. Police showed no interest in doing anything other than threatening patriots with arrests for “unlawful assembly.”

In contrast, of course, Leftists were free to disobey the laws and marched merrily down the streets, many chanting “Black Lives Matter!”, causing chaos as they went. As Rebel Media’s Faith Goldy reported, this was an absurd “double standard.” Anarcho-Tyranny was the order of the day in C-Ville.

The casualties are piling up as I write this on Saturday evening [Charlottesville Rally Turns Deadly; One Killed After Car Strikes Crowd, by Phil McCausland, Emmanuelle Saliba, and Moira Donohue, NBC News, August 12, 2017]. A car plowed into a crowd of Leftist protesters, though it is unknown whether this was deliberate or politically motivated. But note that the only reason this was even possible is that law enforcement thought it was a good idea to turn over the streets to anarchists.

Adding to the chaos, there is also a report of a National Guard helicopter crashing nearby and two fatalities have been reported [Helicopter crash in Albemarle County, CBS 19, August 12, 2017].

All of this occurred after a “state of emergency” had been declared and demonstrations were supposed to have been halted.

It’s obvious to anyone on the ground, or anyone who has been paying attention to any of this over the last few years, that Antifa are responsible for the entirety of the violence. Leftists, no matter how extreme, do not have to fear Right Wing violence at their events, nor do they have to fear the police ignoring attacks against them.

Violence did not just “break out” at Unite The Right. Attendees were attacked—by Leftists and by the police. They worked together as seamlessly as if they had common leadership.

Despite this, or perhaps because of it, the System’s most shameless courtiers, Main Stream Media journalists, are trying to blame Unite The Right participants.

As Antifa openly slash tires, attack activists (and random bystanders) and parade under symbols of Communist mass murder, it is not as though journalists do not see what is happening. No one can pretend it is pro-white demonstrators who are being violent or destroying property, not even reporters. However, like the city government, the journalists are determined to disguise this reality.

It sounds like people really dislike Nazis and white supremacists.

Good. I hope they're meet the same level of opposition wherever they go to preach their hatred of people.

 

[GondwanaLand]

No, Trump denounced and condemned the people doing that.

No matter how it is spun and repeated the truth is self evident. And it is becoming increasingly clear that no matter what the President says it will never be accepted by the radical press and all the haters.

No, he told us they were "Very fine people" there. And he told us the people chanting nazi slogans and marching with tiki torches the night before were simply quietly protesting the removal of the statue.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Consider how everyone would have reacted if instead of nazi and KKK terrorists, the rally was called by radical islamist terrorists.

Does anyone think that the president would be saying there was fault on both sides?

Or that he would have hesitated in directly calling out islamic terrorism (or Muslims in general, as he seems wont to generalize there) right away?

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

At least you admit that he wasn't referring to neo-nazis and KKK members, as his other remarks make obvious. That at least establishes that the people who said that he did support such groups were lying, he made no such remarks.

If you want to say something like "The President said that there are good people who attend rallies that are also attended by neo-nazis and KKK members, but who are not of those groups themselves" you could at least defend that interpretation. But it lacks the rhetorical kick of the lie that people have been using, so I doubt it will catch on.

WRONG!

If you in march fill with Nazis flags and Nazis chants and KKK torches and KKK flags and you not leave march, you NOT "very fine person". You Nazi or KKK.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

No, he told us they were "Very fine people" there. And he told us the people chanting nazi slogans and marching with tiki torches the night before were simply quietly protesting the removal of the statue.

If you in march fill with Nazis flags and Nazis chants and KKK torches and KKK flags and you not leave march, you NOT "very fine person". You Nazi or KKK.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Consider how everyone would have reacted if instead of nazi and KKK terrorists, the rally was called by radical islamist terrorists.

Then the rally wouldn't have been attacked by antifa. Antifa being against Islamophobia and all that...

 

[GoldenBoy89]

And where, precisely, in this quote are the KKK, nazis or white supremacists mentioned?

"Both sides."

Do you not understand plain English? It's not a hard one. Both sides means, well... Both sides.

I really don't know how else this could be explained.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Then the rally wouldn't have been attacked by antifa. Antifa being against Islamophobia and all that...

Yeah, just look at these violent antifa attacking the peaceful NAZIS: Unicorn Riot on Twitter

Oh, wait.

 

[GondwanaLand]

If you in march fill with Nazis flags and Nazis chants and KKK torches and KKK flags and you not leave march, you NOT "very fine person". You Nazi or KKK.

Agreed.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

You might criticize him for being unclear,

As usual for this President.

but to say that he said anything about supporting nazis or any similar group would be a lie.

No it isn't.

I think that we can all agree on this,

We cannot.

if we simply read what the president actually said and restrict our analysis to that.

That's exactly what I did.

Far too many people are treating the interpretation of news outlets of what the president said as what the president actually said.

I heard what the President actually said. More importantly, I heard what he didn't say. It's what he didn't say on Saturday, when his words really mattered, that stuck out like a Klansmen in Compton.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

I heard what the President actually said. More importantly, I heard what he didn't say. It's what he didn't say on Saturday, when his words really mattered, that stuck out like a Klansmen in Compton.

Nazi on Nazi website agree with you:

"Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us.

He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate … on both sides!

So he implied the antifa are haters.

There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.

He said he loves us all."

 

[Jenny_8675309]

No, Trump denounced and condemned the people doing that.

No matter how it is spun and repeated the truth is self evident. And it is becoming increasingly clear that no matter what the President says it will never be accepted by the radical press and all the haters.

Did he say there are "good people on both sides", or not?

 

[Rion]

Who is that?

The non-racists. There are plenty of people who think of themselves as 'alt-right' but aren't racist. Just as there are many who would say that they are anti-fascists, but don't support Antifa.

 

[Jenny_8675309]

The non-racists. There are plenty of people who think of themselves as 'alt-right' but aren't racist.

For example?