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Theoretical versus Actual

Hoshiyya

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I think some people are too concerned with the theoretical differences between the religions and ideologies, and it blinds them from seeing the true similarities, or the true differences, that actually exist.

Theoretical differences may make two religions seem like polar opposites.
But if you look at the people, the concerns they have, the form of organization, the vocabulary, the assumptions about how often to meet, where to meet, what you do at a meeting, and so on, you may pick up on what is called de facto similarities.

If we look at de facto similarities, rather than the intangible theoretical differences, we will see that, for example, Scientology and Mormonism are very similar. Mormons don't believe in Thetans. Scientologists don't believe in Nephites. But so what ? Those beliefs are just that: beliefs. It is the actualities of a religion, the physical, tangible part of the religion, that really defines it. And when it comes to that, they are both modern, both originating in and most successful in the US, both are religions of the suit and tie, religions of the salesman, and very, very concerned with making money. Both have what are called "WASPs" as a primary target demographic for conversion.

Another example we could give is Nation of Islam. In theory, Nation of Islam is a form of Islam. But in reality, it is a development of the Afro-American form of Protestantism.

The reader may disagree witht the particular examples here but this is not a discussion about the examples in and of themselves.

Here is the topic of discussion: It seems to me that very often people categorize religions largely based on the (popular understanding of) the doctrines of the given religion, rather than on the actualities, the praxes, of the religion.
 

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Seems a bit like trying to read the people who themselves read the Bible according to what they put into practice, or if not the Bible then some other kind of sacred text. I wonder if it possible to compare how a church group organizes to how the national government organizes, like to ask if the state is a type of church or if a church is a type of state, such as D.C. vis-a-vis the Vatican.
 
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Here is the topic of discussion: It seems to me that very often people categorize religions largely based on the (popular understanding of) the doctrines of the given religion, rather than on the actualities, the praxes, of the religion.
In my experience, when you start categorizing religions by their actualities and praxes you´ll soon be drowned in NoTrueScotsmen.
 
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I think some people are too concerned with the theoretical differences between the religions and ideologies, and it blinds them from seeing the true similarities, or the true differences, that actually exist.

Theoretical differences may make two religions seem like polar opposites.
But if you look at the people, the concerns they have, the form of organization, the vocabulary, the assumptions about how often to meet, where to meet, what you do at a meeting, and so on, you may pick up on what is called de facto similarities.

If we look at de facto similarities, rather than the intangible theoretical differences, we will see that, for example, Scientology and Mormonism are very similar. Mormons don't believe in Thetans. Scientologists don't believe in Nephites. But so what ? Those beliefs are just that: beliefs. It is the actualities of a religion, the physical, tangible part of the religion, that really defines it. And when it comes to that, they are both modern, both originating in and most successful in the US, both are religions of the suit and tie, religions of the salesman, and very, very concerned with making money. Both have what are called "WASPs" as a primary target demographic for conversion.

Another example we could give is Nation of Islam. In theory, Nation of Islam is a form of Islam. But in reality, it is a development of the Afro-American form of Protestantism.

The reader may disagree witht the particular examples here but this is not a discussion about the examples in and of themselves.

Here is the topic of discussion: It seems to me that very often people categorize religions largely based on the (popular understanding of) the doctrines of the given religion, rather than on the actualities, the praxes, of the religion.

If not, how do you classify?

For example: Do you like to see answers to these:
Religions that hate or love money:
Religions that restrict people's diet:
Religions that tend to make people more violent:

There is no better way to classify religion according to its doctrine.
 
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