theological problem with the "sons of god" being human

[ChetSinger]

The second reason is that Scripture does NOT say what you did. Here is what the Scripture says:

7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9 For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

The sons of Adam are mankind, and NOT any mysterious "spirits" as you posted.

No, you're wrong. You're using an out-of-date translation that doesn't take into account the 2,000-year-old scriptures discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls. You should be using a more up-to-date translation. Here's what scholars now believe Deut 32:7-9 originally said (taken from the ESV):

Remember the days of old;
consider the years of many generations;
ask your father, and he will show you,
your elders, and they will tell you.

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.

But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

Aman777, I'm beginning to believe that you're prideful, insisting that you, and only you, are right while everyone else is wrong. Please correct me if I have misrepresented you.

So I'm done with this. But if you're interested, here is a monograph that is an example of current Biblical scholarship regarding the "sons of God" in the Pentateuch. The author is a believer. He is the Academic Editor of Logos Bible Software. He has a PhD in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages. If you continue on your path, this is the kind of scholarship you're setting yourself up against: Deuteronomy 32:8 and the Sons of God

I think you're wandering far and wide, Aman777, and I hope you soon return to the flock.

 

[Calminian]

....Dear Cal, I agree....BUT...it was not before Jesus spoke of Himself in the Old Testament:.......

I understand, but you can't say Jesus was flesh in his pre-incarnate form. In fact that what the term means—pre-human.

Scripture couldn't be more clear.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,....​

You're trying to say Jesus was already flesh, and therefore didn't become flesh. Do you see how far you have to stray theologically to make the sons of god human?

It was the human seed that would crush the head of the serpent. The pre-human Jesus didn't atone for our sins yet.

The problem still persists I'm afraid, at least in my mind.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

....Dear Cal, I agree....BUT...it was not before Jesus spoke of Himself in the Old Testament:.......
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Calminian:>>I understand, but you can't say Jesus was flesh in his pre-incarnate form. In fact that what the term means—pre-human.

Scripture couldn't be more clear.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,....
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You're trying to say Jesus was already flesh, and therefore didn't become flesh. Do you see how far you have to stray theologically to make the sons of god human?

Dear Cal, I have NOT tried to show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were humans. In fact, I have posted that they were NOT humans since they did NOT descend from Adam, the first human. I posted that in God's eyes, they were innocent because they did NOT have the ABILITY to know good and evil. Only God and and the human descendants of Adam have this Ability. Genesis 3:22

I have also shown that humans are not called the "sons of God" until they are born Spiritually. This makes humans innocent in God's eyes. This is because humans have the ABILITY to sin since they are born with Adam's intelligence level, but MUST freely choose to believe in Jesus BEFORE they are considered innocent of sins.

Cal:>>It was the human seed that would crush the head of the serpent. The pre-human Jesus didn't atone for our sins yet.

In God's eyes He did, since God KNEW that Jesus would have to be crucified BEFORE the foundation of the world. Revelation 13 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version) This is because God sees the end from the beginning.

Cal:>>The problem still persists I'm afraid, at least in my mind.

I understand. I can only tell you what God has shown me in my study. I'm sure some of what I am sure of now, will be corrected in Heaven. Each must work out his own Salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

The second reason is that Scripture does NOT say what you did. Here is what the Scripture says:

7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9 For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

The sons of Adam are mankind, and NOT any mysterious "spirits" as you posted.
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Chet:>>No, you're wrong. You're using an out-of-date translation that doesn't take into account the 2,000-year-old scriptures discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls. You should be using a more up-to-date translation. Here's what scholars now believe Deut 32:7-9 originally said (taken from the ESV):

Dear Chet, I don't study the views of "so called" scholars. Scripture tells me NOT to do this. The Jewish theologians at the time of Jesus spent their lives studying man's views, and still called for the Crucifixion of their own God.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

I use the KJV version of Scripture because it allows me access to the original Hebrew and Greek words. I also use Strong's Concordance to find the meaning of those words. I avoid following ANY man's views since there are so many interpretations, it would be impossible for me to follow all of them. I believe this is HOW the Holy Spirit works today, and also the reason there are so many denominations. It insures that those who come to know God MUST come by Faith and NOT by following mortal men's diverse views.

ESV:>>Remember the days of old;
consider the years of many generations;
ask your father, and he will show you,
your elders, and they will tell you.

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.

But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.
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Chet:>>Aman777, I'm beginning to believe that you're prideful, insisting that you, and only you, are right while everyone else is wrong. Please correct me if I have misrepresented you.

I can only tell you what God has shown me. IF you notice, my name is Aman, which identifies me as just a man with NO credentials except the support which is get from God's Holy Word. I support what I write with Scripture and NOT with any religion, nor my superior knowledge or training.

Chet:>>So I'm done with this. But if you're interested, here is a monograph that is an example of current Biblical scholarship regarding the "sons of God" in the Pentateuch. The author is a believer. He is the Academic Editor of Logos Bible Software. He has a PhD in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages. If you continue on your path, this is the kind of scholarship you're setting yourself up against: Deuteronomy 32:8 and the Sons of God

I think you're wandering far and wide, Aman777, and I hope you soon return to the flock.

Then show me my errors Scripturally, and I will try to correct them. Please don't try to show me my errors from men who have the mistaken idea that man was made from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day, since that is totally UnScriptural. Genesis 2:4-7 refutes their views.

I know of NO scholar who also teaches that Today is the 6th Day in the Creation of the 3rd Heaven. IOW, I don't believe today's scholars know what Day it is. I love to listen to preachers who preach what they can support with Scripture, but I don't appreciate those who don't support their words with God's Holy Word. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Joshua0]

This is a simple question for those that think the sons of god of genesis 6 were human. How did they obtain divine sonship apart from Jesus Christ??

If you read Luke: "son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God" we see that Adam was called the "son of God". So in Genesis 6 it is a natural conclusion that the people we are reading about are the descendants of Adam. They got married to people that were not descendants of Adam. Another explanation is that these people was a special creation of angels that God gave flesh. After all vs 13 talks about the time has come for the end of all flesh. Although the word: "flesh" is a word that is first used in Ch 2 and is talking about Adam. Matthew Henry equates this to a believer getting married to a unbeliever: "The sons of God (that is, the professors of religion, who were called by the name of the Lord, and called upon that name), married the daughters of men, that is, those that were profane, and strangers to God and godliness.

 

[Calminian]

If you read Luke: "son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God" we see that Adam was called the "son of God". ....

This is already been dealt with. Adam is the only human that was not a son of Adam. That Adam is referred to the son of God proves my point as the term is reserved for direct creations. Adam, angels, Israel (as the nation), Christ (in his humanity) and those in Christ are called sons of God due to the fact they are directly created by God or in Christ who is God's firstborn.

Thus the problem still remains. If the sons of god were human (not direct creations of god, but sons of adam), and if they were not in Christ, how did they acquire the title "sons of god?"

It's a very simple question, and a very deep theological problem. Somehow you have to figure out a way these humans become adopted into Christ before the cross.

 

[Assyrian]

Everyone is a God's creation.

 

[Calminian]

...Dear Cal, I have NOT tried to show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were humans. In fact, I have posted that they were NOT humans....

But you are also saying they are not direct creations of God, but descendants of other beings.

And it also sounds like you deny the Nicene Creed which states Jesus took on human flesh and had a dual nature. [/quote]

Unfortunately, apart from the whole sons of god issue, it sounds like your dabbling in heresy. If you deny the essential nature of Christ you shouldn't be posting here.

But again, you do make my point, about just how far one has to go to hold up the sons of god as not being angels.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

...Dear Cal, I have NOT tried to show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were humans. In fact, I have posted that they were NOT humans....
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Calminian:>>But you are also saying they are not direct creations of God, but descendants of other beings.

Dear Cal, I am saying that God created them without the Ability to know good and evil. ONLY Adam's descendants have the Ability to know good and evil. Animals do NOT have the intelligence level of humans and Prehistoric man (sons of God) is NOT human, for he is NOT a descendant of Adam. That's WHY the sons of God were innocent.

The sons of God came forth from the water on the Earth of Adam AND on our Earth when God commanded this to happen on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 When mankind travels into Space, we will find Natural man whereever we find liquid water, but NONE of them are humans, since NONE of them descended from Adam. That's because there was but ONE Ark.

Cal:>>And it also sounds like you deny the Nicene Creed which states Jesus took on human flesh and had a dual nature. [/quote]

I have always posted that YHWH/Jesus came forth from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world on the first Day.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. Jesus is God incarnate. In Him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily. If you have seen God, you have seen Jesus, for Jesus is the ONLY God ever formed or that ever will be formed, physically. There is NO other Savior than Jesus.

Cal:>>Unfortunately, apart from the whole sons of god issue, it sounds like your dabbling in heresy. If you deny the essential nature of Christ you shouldn't be posting here.

Jesus is God and Jesus came to Earth as a man in order to defeat satan who had the power of death. Where have I denied the essential nature of Christ?

Cal:>>But again, you do make my point, about just how far one has to go to hold up the sons of god as not being angels.

Scripture tells us Angels do not marry nor are given in marriage. It also tells us that the Angels who kept not their first estate are bound in chains under darkness until the Judgment. Those who teach that Angels are the sons of God CANNOT support their views with Scripture.

Genesis 1:21 tells us that "every living creature that moveth" was Created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Science confirms the SAME on our Planet. The sons of God (prehistoric man) moveth, which means that those who do not believe this also have NO idea who Cain married when he was cast from the Garden. Neither do they know who Noah's grandsons married, since there were NO other humans to marry.

Genesis 6:4 tell us the combination of the sons of God and Adam's descendants produces intellectual Giants, which we call humans when measured against the prehistoric beings whose bones we find on our Earth. This is also WHY we have the DNA of a prehistoric woman who lived more than 150,000 years ago AND we have the human intelligence of Adam who NEVER stepped foot on the present Earth.

Isaiah 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

In Love,
Aman

 

[Calminian]

Originally Posted by Aman777

...Dear Cal, I have NOT tried to show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were humans. In fact, I have posted that they were NOT humans....
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Calminian:>>But you are also saying they are not direct creations of God, but descendants of other beings.

Aman, regardless of the identity of the sons of god, I think most would agree you're missing the point of the thread. You're not comprehending basic issue. I keep trying explain it, but you just don't get it, and end up tying these long responses that have nothing to do with anything. I'm going to have to move on.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

...Dear Cal, I have NOT tried to show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were humans. In fact, I have posted that they were NOT humans....
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Calminian:>>But you are also saying they are not direct creations of God, but descendants of other beings.
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Calminian:>>Aman, regardless of the identity of the sons of god, I think most would agree you're missing the point of the thread.

Dear Cal, The name of the thread is the theological problems with the "sons of God" being human. I keep telling you that they were NOT human because they were NOT the descendants of Adam. You keep twisting my words and claiming I don't understand. I believe it's because it goes against your religion.

Cal:>>You're not comprehending basic issue. I keep trying explain it, but you just don't get it, and end up tying these long responses that have nothing to do with anything. I'm going to have to move on.

I understand your position. Since you cannot post supporting Scripture for your view that Angels are the sons of God, you prefer to move on to someone who will believe your view. Good luck in finding someone who will believe you instead of Scripture.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Joshua0]

Thus the problem still remains. If the sons of god were human (not direct creations of god, but sons of adam), and if they were not in Christ, how did they acquire the title "sons of god?"

You mean the difference between the man God created in Ch 1 and the man God put in the Garden of Eden in Ch 2? The difference was the breath of life. The same word we see again in Gen 7:22 "All in whose nostrils 639 [was] the breath5397 7307 of life 2416, of all that [was] in the dry 2724 [land], died 4191 "

05301 // xpn // naphach // naw-fakh' //

a primitive root; TWOT - 1390; v

AV - blow 4, breathe 2, seething 2, blown 1, lose 1, snuffed 1,
give up 1; 12

1) to breathe, blow, sniff at, seethe, give up or lose (life)
1a) (Qal) to breathe, blow
1b) (Pual) to be blown
1c) (Hiphil) to cause to breathe out

There are not a lot of words here in the Bible. Esp in the original Hebrew. So we have to be very careful to study each and every word that we are given to work with.

 

[Joshua0]

I have NOT tried to show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were humans. In fact, I have posted that they were NOT humans....

What do you mean by "human"? Do you realize they were working with copper 7,000 years ago. A full 1,000 years before Adam. Even the non semitic people had written language 1,000 years before the semitic. Recorded history DID NOT begin with the Hebrew Nation.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

I have NOT tried to show that the sons of God in the Old Testament were humans. In fact, I have posted that they were NOT humans....
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Josh:>>What do you mean by "human"?

Dear Josh, Humans are the descendants of Adam, who was made from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day on the first Earth. Genesis 2:4-7 confirms this Scriptural fact.

Josh:>>Do you realize they were working with copper 7,000 years ago. A full 1,000 years before Adam. Even the non semitic people had written language 1,000 years before the semitic. Recorded history DID NOT begin with the Hebrew Nation.

Humans arrived on this Earth some 10k years ago in the Ark. Noah and his family were the first descendants of Adam to arrive here. Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to our Earth.

Before Noah arrived, the sons of God (Prehistoric man) NEVER had agriculture, NEVER built a city, and showed NONE of the traits of modern humans. Below is empirical evidence of the arrival of the first farmers on our Planet. Notice that they arrived just south of the mountains of Ararat in complete agreement with God's Holy Word. Noah arrived some 10k years ago as is confirmed by this map:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

I realize that this view contradicts the traditional religious view of pre scientific, ancient men, BUT it agrees totally with Scripture.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Calminian]

You mean the difference between the man God created in Ch 1 and the man God put in the Garden of Eden in Ch 2?

It's the same man spoken of in both toledoth. In fact the hebrew word in Genesis 1:26 is adam! Had the writer wanted to separate these, he could have used a couple other words. But he chose the hebrew adam. Adam represents both the man with that name and all that come out of him (his descendants and also Eve taken from his rib).

Thus the toledoth that follows was a closer expanded look at day 6.

You see, descendants bear the names of their ancestors. But in the case of Adam, all humans bear that name for all come from him.

It would make no sense for God to call pre-adamic men adam. But that's exactly the point you're trying to force upon scripture.

I realize the motivation to separate those two events, and have a pre-adamic race of men. But scripture simply can't be bent that way. On day 6 God created adam, not pre-adam. All mankind (all adam) must come from Adam.

It's really a no-brainer.

There are not a lot of words here in the Bible. Esp in the original Hebrew. So we have to be very careful to study each and every word that we are given to work with.

Exactly!!

 

[Aman777]

Everyone is a God's creation.

Dear Assyrian, Sinners are not "created in God's Image." They remain dead in their trespasses and sins. They are born physically, but not created Spiritually in Christ. Correct?

Eph 2:1 ¶And you hath He quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

How about those who were NOT born again? Are they created?

In Love,
Aman

 

[Assyrian]

Dear Assyrian, Sinners are not "created in God's Image." They remain dead in their trespasses and sins. They are born physically, but not created Spiritually in Christ. Correct?

Eph 2:1 ¶And you hath He quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

The Ephesians were certainly dead in their trespasses and sins before they were born again, but that doesn't means they weren't created in God's image, each one knit together by God in their mother's womb. James 3:9 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God.

How about those who were NOT born again? Are they created?

In Love,
Aman

Everything is created by God. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him.
Ezekiel, even when he was prophesying the judgment and destruction of the Ammonites described them as being created by God. Ezek 21:28 And you, son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus says the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites and concerning their reproach... 30 Return it to its sheath. In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you.
Isaiah, when he was saying that no weapon fashioned to attack Israel would succeed, also says that the blacksmith who makes weapons was created by God. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith who blows the fire of coals and produces a weapon for its purpose. I have also created the ravager to destroy; 17 no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgement. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD and their vindication from me, declares the LORD."

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Assyrian, Sinners are not "created in God's Image." They remain dead in their trespasses and sins. They are born physically, but not created Spiritually in Christ. Correct?

Eph 2:1 ¶And you hath He quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
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Assyrian:>>The Ephesians were certainly dead in their trespasses and sins before they were born again, but that doesn't means they weren't created in God's image, each one knit together by God in their mother's womb. James 3:9 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God.

Dear Assyrian, Notice that I said "created in God's Image" which is different from being made in the Likeness of God. Jesus is the only physical likeness of God so we are made in His likeness, for Jesus was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.

Aman:>>How about those who were NOT born again? Are they created?

Assyrian:>>Everything is created by God. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him.

I agree, but not everyone is "created in God's Image" which is to be created Spiritually, Eternally, in Christ. Notice also that Colossians 1:16 is speaking of Jesus.

Assyrian:>>Ezekiel, even when he was prophesying the judgment and destruction of the Ammonites described them as being created by God. Ezek 21:28 And you, son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus says the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites and concerning their reproach... 30 Return it to its sheath. In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you.

Again, to be "created in God's Image" is to be born again, or born in Christ, who is the ONLY Image of the invisible God. The only way to be "created in God's Image" is to be born again, in Christ. Notice also that it is YHWH/Jesus speaking in the Old Testament, and NOT Elohim. It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity (Elohim) to be "created in God's Image."

Assyrian:>>Isaiah, when he was saying that no weapon fashioned to attack Israel would succeed, also says that the blacksmith who makes weapons was created by God. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith who blows the fire of coals and produces a weapon for its purpose. I have also created the ravager to destroy; 17 no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgement. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD and their vindication from me, declares the LORD."

Satan was created by God, but he was NOT "created in God's Image" and neither is any sinner. To be "created in God's Image" is to be born Spiritually, Eternally, in Christ. God is an invisible Spirit. He exists physically only in His Son. That's WHY Jesus said, Ye must be born again, born a new creature, born Spiritually, in Christ. Notice also that it is again the LORD speaking. It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to be "created in God's Image."

I hate to be so technical, but it is an Eternal Creation to be created by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. YHWH/.Jesus formed Adam on the 3rd Day, (Genesis 2:4-7) but Adam was NOT "created in God's Image" until the 6th Day (Genesis 1:27) AFTER God said, Let US make man in our Image.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Assyrian]

Dear Assyrian, Notice that I said "created in God's Image" which is different from being made in the Likeness of God. Jesus is the only physical likeness of God so we are made in His likeness, for Jesus was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.

Unless of course image and likeness are synonyms and and were used in poetic parallelism in Genesis 1:26 Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. However if you want Paul uses image in 1Cor 11:7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. If you read on, Paul is talking about natural birth not rebirth. 1Cor 11:12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.

I agree, but not everyone is "created in God's Image" which is to be created Spiritually, Eternally, in Christ. Notice also that Colossians 1:16 is speaking of Jesus.

Again, to be "created in God's Image" is to be born again, or born in Christ, who is the ONLY Image of the invisible God. The only way to be "created in God's Image" is to be born again, in Christ. Notice also that it is YHWH/Jesus speaking in the Old Testament, and NOT Elohim. It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity (Elohim) to be "created in God's Image."

You are assuming created in God's image means spiritual creation rebirth, rather than the creation of our human nature with its mind and emotions it ability to love and understand. Of course it is also used for the ongoing transformation that comes with new birth 2Cor 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. If the image of God is something that humans can have to different degrees, then there is no reason to think Adam was born again in Genesis 1, or that only Adam and Eve and Christians are made in God's image. Gen 9:6 Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image. This makes no distinction between the image of God in a murder victim and in God's original creation.

Satan was created by God, but he was NOT "created in God's Image" and neither is any sinner. To be "created in God's Image" is to be born Spiritually, Eternally, in Christ. God is an invisible Spirit. He exists physically only in His Son. That's WHY Jesus said, Ye must be born again, born a new creature, born Spiritually, in Christ. Notice also that it is again the LORD speaking. It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to be "created in God's Image."

I hate to be so technical, but it is an Eternal Creation to be created by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. YHWH/.Jesus formed Adam on the 3rd Day, (Genesis 2:4-7) but Adam was NOT "created in God's Image" until the 6th Day (Genesis 1:27) AFTER God said, Let US make man in our Image.

In Love,
Aman

Genesis 2 doesn't make any mention of Adam being created on the third day, that is what you read into the text. Neither do Genesis 1 or 2 say anything about Adam being born again.

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>I hate to be so technical, but it is an Eternal Creation to be created by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. YHWH/.Jesus formed Adam on the 3rd Day, (Genesis 2:4-7) but Adam was NOT "created in God's Image" until the 6th Day (Genesis 1:27) AFTER God said, Let US make man in our Image.

Assyrian:>>Genesis 2 doesn't make any mention of Adam being created on the third day, that is what you read into the text.

Dear Assyrian, I have NEVER claimed Adam was "created" on the 3rd Day. Adam was "formed", which is Hebrew comes from a word which shows he was molded or shaped as a Potter molds the clay. Adam was formed by the Hands of Jesus, called Lord God in Genesis 2;4-7. Hebrews called Him YHWH, and His name is a Singular Name, unlike the Hebrew name for God, which is Elohim, the Trinity, a Plural Name.

Here are the verses which show that the first man was formed on the 3rd Day.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) made the earth and the heavens,

The Earth was made the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

If you don't agree, then tell us what other Day these verses are speaking of. Also show us where God (Elohim) created Adam.


Assyrian:>>Neither do Genesis 1 or 2 say anything about Adam being born again.

Remember that YHWH/Jesus, the Singular name of God formed Adam on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:27 is NOT speaking of YHWH/Jesus, but instead, is speaking of God (Elohim-the Trinity). The account in Genesis 1:27 agrees exactly with the further explanation of WHEN this event happened, and is shown in Genesis 5:1-2:

Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God (Elohim, the Trinity) created man, in the likeness of God made He him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Adam was formed the 3rd Day and Eve was NOT formed until the 6th Day. Genesis 2:22, and yet BOTH were "created in God's Image" at the SAME time on the 6th Day. This is further explained in the New Testament.

l Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is Spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is Spiritual.

Like ALL men, Adam was first formed physically, and afterward Spiritually. Both Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" or born Spiritually, on the 6th Day. That was NOT first which is Spiritual.

In Love,
Aman