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<blockquote data-quote="ViaCrucis" data-source="post: 70268774" data-attributes="member: 293637"><p>You base this on what?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You base this on what?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You keep saying "liberalism".</p><p></p><p>I suspect you and I have very different ideas about the nature of the charismata.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The same number as "conservatives" I reckon. Which, depending on how you're defining "prophesy" can either mean none or every pastor who is faithfully preaching the Gospel to their flock.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or, rather, you believe you hear things from the Holy Spirit every day. I'm extremely doubtful that you've ever personally heard <em>anything</em> from God.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How do you believe the Holy Spirit principally operates in the Church? I believe the Holy Spirit principally operates in the Church through the established Means which Christ Himself instituted for the Church: the preaching of the Word and the administration of the Sacraments.</p><p></p><p>If you believe the Holy Spirit principally operates in the Church through some other means, then we're at a pretty significant impasse.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you keep saying "liberalism" but at every point along this discussion it seems your issue isn't with some sort of nebulous "liberalism", your issue is with traditional Churches doing what they've always done for two thousand years. Namely, your problem is that we haven't embraced Charismaticism as a viable, faithful, or biblical expression of Christian faith and practice. The term "liberal" seems to simply be largely the word you want to use to lambast the entirety of historic, traditional Christian churches regardless of any "conservativism" or "liberalism".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Confusing having a log in one's eye with "spiritual maturity" is probably a poor route to go.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>According to....who? What?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And now we come to another crucial issue: A failure to rightly exegete Scripture by assuming that the Bible is principally written to oneself. You'd do well to stroll back a few verses to verse 16. Unless you're a 7th century BC prophet of Israel named Ezekiel then this wasn't directed at you. The "you" here is Ezekiel, and it was Ezekiel's calling as a prophet to Israel to speak to the people of Israel. Trying to make that about yourself is a fundamental failure on how to read the Bible.</p><p></p><p>This discussion, honestly, doesn't belong in this board because this isn't a political issue. This is a debate topic that belongs on one of the theology boards, because your issues aren't about politics, but theology, and specifically it's clear that your issue is with the fact that there are Christians who don't share the particular teachings of your Charismatic tradition.</p><p></p><p>-CryptoLutheran</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ViaCrucis, post: 70268774, member: 293637"] You base this on what? You base this on what? You keep saying "liberalism". I suspect you and I have very different ideas about the nature of the charismata. The same number as "conservatives" I reckon. Which, depending on how you're defining "prophesy" can either mean none or every pastor who is faithfully preaching the Gospel to their flock. Or, rather, you believe you hear things from the Holy Spirit every day. I'm extremely doubtful that you've ever personally heard [I]anything[/I] from God. How do you believe the Holy Spirit principally operates in the Church? I believe the Holy Spirit principally operates in the Church through the established Means which Christ Himself instituted for the Church: the preaching of the Word and the administration of the Sacraments. If you believe the Holy Spirit principally operates in the Church through some other means, then we're at a pretty significant impasse. Again, you keep saying "liberalism" but at every point along this discussion it seems your issue isn't with some sort of nebulous "liberalism", your issue is with traditional Churches doing what they've always done for two thousand years. Namely, your problem is that we haven't embraced Charismaticism as a viable, faithful, or biblical expression of Christian faith and practice. The term "liberal" seems to simply be largely the word you want to use to lambast the entirety of historic, traditional Christian churches regardless of any "conservativism" or "liberalism". Confusing having a log in one's eye with "spiritual maturity" is probably a poor route to go. According to....who? What? And now we come to another crucial issue: A failure to rightly exegete Scripture by assuming that the Bible is principally written to oneself. You'd do well to stroll back a few verses to verse 16. Unless you're a 7th century BC prophet of Israel named Ezekiel then this wasn't directed at you. The "you" here is Ezekiel, and it was Ezekiel's calling as a prophet to Israel to speak to the people of Israel. Trying to make that about yourself is a fundamental failure on how to read the Bible. This discussion, honestly, doesn't belong in this board because this isn't a political issue. This is a debate topic that belongs on one of the theology boards, because your issues aren't about politics, but theology, and specifically it's clear that your issue is with the fact that there are Christians who don't share the particular teachings of your Charismatic tradition. -CryptoLutheran [/QUOTE]
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