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<blockquote data-quote="ViaCrucis" data-source="post: 70268605" data-attributes="member: 293637"><p>There was a point in time when the Church consisted of a handful of men and women sitting at a table with Jesus in an upper room sharing a meal together.</p><p></p><p>I don't subscribe to a "Church Growth" ecclesiology, and so I don't see such numbers as particularly significant except as a matter of raw data.</p><p></p><p>I suspect you and I will also highly disagree on the issue of evangelism, since I approach the topic of evangelism from within a Lutheran theological framework; therefore</p><p></p><p>A) Scripture says quite clearly that not all are called to be evangelists.</p><p>B) We are called to "give an answer to the hope that is in us with gentleness and respect", which isn't going to look like someone handing out pamphlets on a street corner or aggressively proselytizing their neighbor.</p><p>C) It is not our job to make other people Christian, not least of all because we can't--because it is the Holy Spirit working through the Means of Word and Sacrament which brings faith.</p><p></p><p>So your issue with "liberal Christians not evangelizing" is almost certainly nothing to do with "liberal" anything, but simply a major difference of theology due to the fact that Mainline Christians do not receive their theological tradition from the teachings of 19th century Revivalists such as Charles Finney, or 20th century Revivalists such as Bill Bright and Billy Sunday--ours is going to be a theology which is defined by the historic tradition of the Christian Church as expressed in our respective confessional texts. That doesn't mean Lutherans and others don't share our faith (we do), or that we don't believe in preaching the Gospel (Heaven forbid! the preaching of the Gospel is absolutely central to everything we are as Lutherans)--but that it's probably not going to look the same way it looks from within the tradition and practices of your particular tradition and denomination.</p><p></p><p>-CryptoLutheran</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ViaCrucis, post: 70268605, member: 293637"] There was a point in time when the Church consisted of a handful of men and women sitting at a table with Jesus in an upper room sharing a meal together. I don't subscribe to a "Church Growth" ecclesiology, and so I don't see such numbers as particularly significant except as a matter of raw data. I suspect you and I will also highly disagree on the issue of evangelism, since I approach the topic of evangelism from within a Lutheran theological framework; therefore A) Scripture says quite clearly that not all are called to be evangelists. B) We are called to "give an answer to the hope that is in us with gentleness and respect", which isn't going to look like someone handing out pamphlets on a street corner or aggressively proselytizing their neighbor. C) It is not our job to make other people Christian, not least of all because we can't--because it is the Holy Spirit working through the Means of Word and Sacrament which brings faith. So your issue with "liberal Christians not evangelizing" is almost certainly nothing to do with "liberal" anything, but simply a major difference of theology due to the fact that Mainline Christians do not receive their theological tradition from the teachings of 19th century Revivalists such as Charles Finney, or 20th century Revivalists such as Bill Bright and Billy Sunday--ours is going to be a theology which is defined by the historic tradition of the Christian Church as expressed in our respective confessional texts. That doesn't mean Lutherans and others don't share our faith (we do), or that we don't believe in preaching the Gospel (Heaven forbid! the preaching of the Gospel is absolutely central to everything we are as Lutherans)--but that it's probably not going to look the same way it looks from within the tradition and practices of your particular tradition and denomination. -CryptoLutheran [/QUOTE]
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