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<blockquote data-quote="Quid est Veritas?" data-source="post: 74390226" data-attributes="member: 385144"><p>If your Consciousness is solely derived from matter, then functionally it doesn't exist. Matter is per definitionem irrational, and conscious reason supposed to be Rational. Your 'thoughts' or 'consciousness' in such a system must be determined and therefore nothing of the sort. The 'emergent property' argument is even more weasel-words, as it amounts to "we can't demonstrate it or explain it, but we assert a material origin while applying consequence that simply cannot follow from it". You can't have your cake and eat it too. At least some Naturalistic Materialists are at least honest, and therefore deny that the Self, or Consciousness, even exists - but of course, they still claim to have reached their conclusions by Reason, which they thus have invalidated. People are utterly silly indeed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quid est Veritas?, post: 74390226, member: 385144"] If your Consciousness is solely derived from matter, then functionally it doesn't exist. Matter is per definitionem irrational, and conscious reason supposed to be Rational. Your 'thoughts' or 'consciousness' in such a system must be determined and therefore nothing of the sort. The 'emergent property' argument is even more weasel-words, as it amounts to "we can't demonstrate it or explain it, but we assert a material origin while applying consequence that simply cannot follow from it". You can't have your cake and eat it too. At least some Naturalistic Materialists are at least honest, and therefore deny that the Self, or Consciousness, even exists - but of course, they still claim to have reached their conclusions by Reason, which they thus have invalidated. People are utterly silly indeed. [/QUOTE]
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