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<blockquote data-quote="Sérgio Junior" data-source="post: 74359641" data-attributes="member: 381069"><p>Thank you for your well written answer and well thought out, Quid.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When I said that free will is one way to avoid the question, its because I find it somewhat problematic to say that free will coexists with a God who is omnibenevolent and omniscient. The problem arises when we see that people with agency have bad thoughts and actions, they conduct and execute their evil thoughts and actions against other people, hurting, torturing and killing because of this free agency that makes many people say that "God must be silent", that "He is totally indifferent" or even that "He doesn't exist". Considering this case of the genocide of Jews and other peoples in the Holocaust and all the tragedies you mentioned in your post, some people say: "Okay, because these individuals are free agents, an omniscient (who saw all this evil happen before the creation) and omnibenivolent God could do nothing about it? Would the will of these people who suffered and begged not to suffer and die be affected because of God's action?", "some people's bad thoughts and behavior were not avoided because of your free will and agency, but why the terrible consequences were not stopped by an omnibenivolent God?", "the idea of free will cannot adequately lead to the conclusion that an omnibenivolent God must endure their evil acts" or "in the Bible era God saved Israel people from Egypt, opened the Red Sea for them to cross, saved Israel from the hand of various enemies regardless of their free will, but only that it did not deliver its chosen people from a brutal slaughter because your free will?". These were some of the arguments I've been hearing over time And they too may raise other arguments similar to those of epicurus Ad Infinitum...</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I never read Dostoevsky's works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sérgio Junior, post: 74359641, member: 381069"] Thank you for your well written answer and well thought out, Quid. When I said that free will is one way to avoid the question, its because I find it somewhat problematic to say that free will coexists with a God who is omnibenevolent and omniscient. The problem arises when we see that people with agency have bad thoughts and actions, they conduct and execute their evil thoughts and actions against other people, hurting, torturing and killing because of this free agency that makes many people say that "God must be silent", that "He is totally indifferent" or even that "He doesn't exist". Considering this case of the genocide of Jews and other peoples in the Holocaust and all the tragedies you mentioned in your post, some people say: "Okay, because these individuals are free agents, an omniscient (who saw all this evil happen before the creation) and omnibenivolent God could do nothing about it? Would the will of these people who suffered and begged not to suffer and die be affected because of God's action?", "some people's bad thoughts and behavior were not avoided because of your free will and agency, but why the terrible consequences were not stopped by an omnibenivolent God?", "the idea of free will cannot adequately lead to the conclusion that an omnibenivolent God must endure their evil acts" or "in the Bible era God saved Israel people from Egypt, opened the Red Sea for them to cross, saved Israel from the hand of various enemies regardless of their free will, but only that it did not deliver its chosen people from a brutal slaughter because your free will?". These were some of the arguments I've been hearing over time And they too may raise other arguments similar to those of epicurus Ad Infinitum... No, I never read Dostoevsky's works. [/QUOTE]
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