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What does "not compatible" with Orthodoxy mean?
Does it mean that believing in TE would be comparible to believing in a religous doctrine that is incompatible with Orthodoxy? Is believing in Theistic Evolution like believing in Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide?
No matter which way you twist it the fact is that all evidence points towards some species (such as dinosaurs) living before humanity. If this is incompatible with Orthodoxy does that mean we must choose between the clear facts and God? I don't see how that makes sense theologically.
I have no problems with orthodox creationists (IMO evolution isn't a church matter anyway) I just get concerned when it is implied to be the only option "compatible" with Orthodoxy.
I still believe that it is a perfectly Orthodox position to take divine teaching from Genesis without expecting it to provide a scientific account of the creation of life and its problematic development.
You know, Icons are not painted realistically (correct proportions, etc.) but they still communicate truth. To me, Genesis is the same way.
likewise, i get concerned when Orthodox ppl trust secular science (accepting that animals lived long before humans) over our divinely-illumined Fathers who commented on the first-hand account of creation that God gave us in the book of Genesis!
Well, in the creation account of Genesis, animals are created before man (Gen 1:21-25). The creation of Adam comes after God created the animals (1:26).
likewise, i get concerned when Orthodox ppl trust secular science (accepting that animals lived long before humans) over our divinely-illumined Fathers who commented on the first-hand account of creation that God gave us in the book of Genesis!
yes, but the Fathers comment on the creation account, telling us that the days were literal days and thus animals were not existent long before man, and they are also clear that there was no death of any kind before man sinned, so nothing lived long before man and went extinct before man according to the Church. scientists will claim otherwise, but when Orthodoxy and science conflict, its certainly not my first thought to question the Church!
I am not "trusting is secular science" I am stating what can easily been seen. There is no "interpretation" or "theory" needed to discern that animals lived before humans. Either physical evidence is incompatible with God or it is not.
I can understand that some might not wish to get into the whole debate and just trust in a literal interpretation but I dislike that they would wish to imply that those who do wish to use their senses and take an intrest in science cannot do so without comprimising their faith.
Well, Science does have a lot of physical evidence to back it up. I don't think it contradicts our faith that the world is actually quite older than 7000 or so years.
To add a few more things. There is no evidence that shows that dinosaurs were living side by side with humans. I don't think the Sumerians would have had any pet Raptors. If there is physical evidence, then I don't think we can deny it. Unless of course the physical can't be trusted but then that would make us Gnostic.
There is plenty of history stating that such creatures did exist along with man. A couple are mentioned in Scripture. AND we still have "dinosaurs" living today.To add a few more things. There is no evidence that shows that dinosaurs were living side by side with humans. I don't think the Sumerians would have had any pet Raptors. If there is physical evidence, then I don't think we can deny it. Unless of course the physical can't be trusted but then that would make us Gnostic.
no one observed the things evolutionists tell us about! they are interpreting the remains from the past, based on the assumption that the present is the key to the past. the remains in and of themselves simply tell us that something died, the rest is interpretation.
I still believe that it is a perfectly Orthodox position to take divine teaching from Genesis without expecting it to provide a scientific account of the creation of life and its problematic development.
You know, Icons are not painted realistically (correct proportions, etc.) but they still communicate truth. To me, Genesis is the same way.
likewise, i get concerned when Orthodox ppl trust secular science (accepting that animals lived long before humans) over our divinely-illumined Fathers who commented on the first-hand account of creation that God gave us in the book of Genesis!
The Fathers weren't innerant. They did the best with what knowledge they had during their time.
Besides, I don't look to them for scientific truths, I look to them for spiritual truths.
The controversy between science and the bible is a relatively new phenomena. The "hyper-literal" approach to reading scripture is foreign to traditional Orthodoxy (and Judaism, for that matter), and is much a result of the western enlightenment, which equates truth with factual accuracy.
The Fathers weren't innerant. They did the best with what knowledge they had during their time.
Besides, I don't look to them for scientific truths, I look to them for spiritual truths.
Absolutely.
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