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Duane Morse

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The Yin-Yang.

The basic thinking is this:
Excerpts taken from http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CHPHIL/YINYANG.HTM

The world consisted of two realms: the realm of principle (li ) (which we might call "laws") and the realm of material force (ch'i ). Principle governs material force and material force makes manifest principle; the ultimate origin of principle is in a single principle, called the Great Ultimate (tao ch'i ), which emanates from Heaven.

The essentials of the yin-yang school are as follows: the universe is run by a single principle, the Tao, or Great Ultimate. This principle is divided into two opposite principles, or two principles which oppose one another in their actions, yin and yang. All the opposites one perceives in the universe can be reduced to one of the opposite forces.

The yin and yang represent all the opposite principles one finds in the universe. Under yang are the principles of maleness, the sun, creation, heat, light, Heaven, dominance, and so on, and under yin are the principles of femaleness, the moon, completion, cold, darkness, material forms, submission, and so on. Each of these opposites produce the other: Heaven creates the ideas of things under yang, the earth produces their material forms under yin, and vice versa; creation occurs under the principle of yang, the completion of the created thing occurs under yin, and vice versa, and so on.

This cyclical nature of yin and yang, the opposing forces of change in the universe, mean several things. First, that all phenomena change into their opposites in an eternal cycle of reversal. Second, since the one principle produces the other, all phenomena have within them the seeds of their opposite state, that is, sickness has the seeds of health, health contains the seeds of sickness, wealth contains the seeds of poverty, etc. Third, even though an opposite may not be seen to be present, since one principle produces the other, no phenomenon is completely devoid of its opposite state. One is never really healthy since health contains the principle of its opposite, sickness. This is called "presence in absence".

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One interesting thing here is that the male will also contain the seed of the female, and the female will contain the seed of the male.

This philosophy is describing the Alpha-Omega, God Almighty, the Trinity.
All at once, since all are One.

Let’s go through the points.
The yang is male, as is the Father.
The yin is female, as is the Holy Spirit.
And the principle li is the material manifestation, as is the Son.

The two forces of yang and yin are the two male-female poles first created with the containment of God, or Great Ultimate (tao ch'i ), with the equation of Phi, square root five plus one, divided by two.
The male Father and female Holy Spirit are represented by the two halves of the yin-yang and by square root five in the equation of Phi.
As the one in the equation is representing the Son, or Offspring of God, it too is square root five plus one, divided by two.
And this Offspring is represented in the yin-yang as the two circles.
Light, separated from darkness. By the Light that is all Light and Darkness.
The Beginning and First. Alpha.

Material force (ch'i ) is the square root five component of the equation of Phi.
Principle (li ) is the “one” component of the equation of Phi.
The divided by two component of the equation of Phi allows for the male and female to co-exist or bi-exist. Co-exist as in Adam when first formed as male and female. And bi-exist as Adam when split into Adam and Eve. Or in the case of forces, bi-exist as in electricity and magnetism, and co-exist as in electromagnetism.

So in the beginning when God created heaven and earth, the male yang Father was heaven and the female yin Holy Spirit was earth.
The Great Ultimate (tao ch'i ) divided by two, into two opposing forces; the yin and yang, each carrying within itself the seed of the other.

Heaven creates the ideas of things under yang, the earth produces their material forms under yin, and vice versa; creation occurs under the principle of yang, the completion of the created thing occurs under yin.

So the Great Ultimate (tao ch'i ), creates the ideas of things under the yang Father, and the earth produces their material forms under the yin Holy Spirit.
The Spirit of God moving over the face of the waters.

The principle (li ) is the law of the material. And this law is Pi. All material force (ch'i ) is contained within a circle within; the circles in the yin-yang and the “one” in the equation of Phi, square root five plus one, divided by two.

So the creation, which is the Son of God, or the “one” in the equation of Phi, is the principle li.

The creation begins with the Spirit of God, Alpha. Alpha enters the material world through li, or the Son of God. The culmination of li is the Spirit of God, Omega.
Omega - Light, in which there is no darkness.
The Last and End.

Alpha-Omega; consisting of the yang Father, the yin Holy Spirit, and the li Son.
Phi defines Life; Pi defines the material for the Life.

The concept of Yin-Yang is associated with the idea of the five agents, or elements – metal, wood, water, fire and earth.

And again here there are direct correlations with the Alpha-Omega, the Trinity, and Man.
Fire – The Father
Water – The Holy Spirit
Earth – The Son
Metal – the male of Man
Wood – the female of Man

The Fire gives rise to Water.
Fire and Water give rise to Earth.
Fire, Water, and Earth give rise to Metal and Wood.

Metal and wood are a part of the earth, and proceed from the earth. Just as Man is a part of the Son of God, Jesus, and we proceed from Jesus. And the earth creates everything on the earth, just as Jesus creates everything in the creation.

The metal and wood are one with the earth, and the earth just would not be the same with no wood or metal. Just as Man is one with Jesus, and Jesus just would not be the same without Man, His Wife.

Those Chinese are pretty smart, eh? Or maybe God explained it that way to someone.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The flock of tao ch'I ?

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Maybe not with Christianity, but it describes the same source, the same God, the Alpha-Omega.
The two go hand in hand.
Don't you see? When I compared the Egyptian religion with the Bible I found that the Egyptian "god" Seth is probably Adam's son Seth.
And all of there "gods" are probably of that first born line of Adam.
Horus is probably Cain. Cain you remember killed Able. And God replaced Able with Seth.
The two main antagonists in the Egyptian religion were Seth and Horus, with Seth eventually killing Horus, and Egypt eventually following Horus.
Seth was the actual good guy, but then he was made out to be the evil one. God did not kill Cain for Cain killing Able, but let him live. But as Cain had shed man's blood, by man would he be killed. And Seth, the replacement of Able, killed him. Well, if Cain was Horus and Seth was Seth, that is.

Now I show that the belief system of the Chinese went the other direction, reaching for the Light, the Alpha-Omega.

The Hebrew, the Egyptians, and the Chinese are the oldest cultures still present on the planet today. And we see the direct line of God, the Hebrews, the downward system of the Egyptians, and the upward path of the Chinese, and they are all linked directly to the Bible and the God of the Bible, the Alpha-Omega, God Almighty.
 
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The thing you are talking about is that good and evil balance and they simply dont at all.evil consumes itself. Good so so many more times stronger than evil. The bible is the truth it has been proven over and over again God put his signture on it by giving us history in advance. That is something that you will never find in any other. And it all comes down to a wether you will accept Jesus as savior for your life...Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. That is the bottem line anything else will find you on the outside....
 
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The yi yang is not anything to do with Christianity. The yin yang says there is balance to everything, not so. God is all good and much stronger than evil. Likewise Satan is all evil, no good and much weaker. No ballance and NO gray area. God has no gray area. You are either for God or against God. A man can only serve one master. Sorry, yet no I'm not.
 
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You guys just do not get it. This is saying the same thing in a different way, and just because they do not say "god" does not mean there is no God present.
The Great Ultimate (tao ch'i ), which emanates from Heaven is God Almighty, and if the term is different the meaning is the same.
Do you think that the only Truth comes from those calling themselves Christian? Or that the Christian religion has a lock and key on all Truth?
There was no Christian religion prior to the resurrection of our Lord Jesus, but the Hebrew and Tao were both here already.
And who in your opinion are the sheep of another flock that Jesus was speaking of if not those that have the same basic understanding handed down to them?
Just because Jesus is not yet a part of that belief system, maybe because they have yet to put two and two together, does not mean they will not hear the Truth and turn to Jesus and see that He is who He says He is, and that He fits right in with Taoism. Jesus is the capstone for them as well, they just do not put a name on God.

And yes, most things I can fit if I look at it in the correct Light.
God is not the author of confusion, remember? Everything SHOULD fit.

And as this is all speaking of the material manifistation and how it came about, I think it fits right in with Creation, Science, (ever hear of the book "the Tao of Physics"?, and evolution.

Evil is the weaker because Omega is stronger than Alpha, and all evil comes from Alpha. Where do you think evil comes from, "outside" God?
There is no "outside" to God. The separating of Light from darkness is separating the good in God from the evil in God, and making the good stronger.
Just like the perfecting of the saints. Because the saints are the Spirit of God, just as Jesus is the Father. But because there is no evil in Jesus, and we are a part of Jesus, then we are the ones to be perfected. So that the Son of God can be perfect in both Bridegroom and Bride.

And the Son is the image of God, the exact image in physical form to be the Body of God. So if the physical is to be perfected, then evil is part God in the first place. But it is filtered out through time, and the culmination is Omega, in which there is no darkness. And the energy level continuously rises in Omega, so the Light, or good is always stronger than the darkness, or evil.
 
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If you try and describe The Way(Tao), that just isn't it.

The Great Ultimate (tao ch'i ), which emanates from Heaven is God Almighty, and if the term is different the meaning is the same.

You can't put such a simplistic explantion to things you do not understand. It takes many many years of meditation and study to figure out what The Way really is.

It may look similar to your concept of god but that does not mean it is God.

Maybe the Yin-yang provides a handy way for you to analyse spirtual situations. But the concept of yin-yang provides a handy analytical tool for any situation,especially where opposites exist.

my advise is to not subjegate a relgion or philosophy you do not understand. Christians always get mad at atheist's who haven't read the bible, so i think i am entitled to say You should read the taoist texts before you decide what exactly they mean.

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thats one. Of course if you want an actual text that is easy to find i recomend the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu. It is mostly what i have read and studied. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M Prisig is another extemely good book, since it does not directly address Zen and the way yet it explains it.

In Taoism there are no shortcuts, there is not bible that can have one exact interpretation. It is about the knowing of yourself.

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