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Fuwari

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What are you doing to hear Him?


listening, trying to hear or feel something.

How do you believe that God replies, that is, assuming that He does reply?

i don't know, i think he replies in lots of ways, but the kind of ways that you could imagine if you wanted to. eg my christian friend was confused about a carrer path, then she began to feel that God wanted her to go a certain way. Then she had lots of other signs including post encouraging her to take that career path ( although actually she is not taking that career path, so i don't know what happened there.....)
that is not a good way to communicate. if i had the feeling God wanted me to do something i would probably be imagining it, it is so easy to imagine such things....................................

Does He reply to you?
 
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Fuwari said:
listening, trying to hear or feel something.


Right, but how are you listening?

Are you walking with Him? Are you studying His word?



Does He reply to you?

He does. We have to learn to hear His voice, but He does speak to us.
 
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Fuwari said:
listening, trying to hear or feel something.



i don't know, i think he replies in lots of ways, but the kind of ways that you could imagine if you wanted to. eg my christian friend was confused about a carrer path, then she began to feel that God wanted her to go a certain way. Then she had lots of other signs including post encouraging her to take that career path ( although actually she is not taking that career path, so i don't know what happened there.....)
that is not a good way to communicate. if i had the feeling God wanted me to do something i would probably be imagining it, it is so easy to imagine such things....................................

Does He reply to you?

if my opinion is worth anything, i used to go like that. had a "sign" all convinced in my mind, had all the "feelings" to convince me to do anything in that. well the problem with that is, the feelings change, the signs change. it isn't anything grounded.

all i can say is, i believe God replies by seeing the changes in my life, by me having faith in Him and watch how my life goes. i audiably don't hear God. i'll wait till the afterlife to hear that. i dont' see visions of God. i'll wait till i'm dead. (now if God does anything different, i'm open to that too.) i figure running on faith, hope and love and watching your life play out, is the best of way of realizing God's Will and the best way of watching God work in your life.
 
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hello tattered saint,

your faith must be really great:)

i just don't understand how to have a relationship with some you can't communicate with.:scratch:

(i also don't know why i couldn't put smileys in my other post)

i had a great friend, who now refuses to talk to me (the reason for this is very strange and unreasonable) ( i don't think it's something she has against me, she has become a recluse) but the point is, she perpetually ignores me, despite living vv close to me , we have no relationship anymore, she is no longer my friend
Love,
Fuwari
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i've read your posts here fuwari, and i honestly don't see what the problem is your going through.

your struggling, i see that, but it seems like you think you can't struggle in the faith to be a Christian. it seems like you may think if you struggle that means you aren't walking with God. since when are we promised a perfect, easy life because we can profess Jesus is Lord? the disciples and the apostles didn't have that, Jesus Himself didn't have it, what makes us any different? look at Thomas, the one that we can affirm to say, doubted the most.

you have to understand to. the God we believe in is beyond everything period. even beyond our struggles. God is beyond everything.

so i would think, you have to get rid of them fancy perfection views of a Christian. those perfection views does not deal with the reality of the faith. the call is perfection, but we have our whole lives to live with God, commune with God through Jesus Christ. why judge God, your faith, Christianity based upon today and only today? why not live life? trust God in times of struggle/hardships instead of alienating the one that you started to run with?
 
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Fuwari said:
hello tattered saint,

your faith must be really great:)

i just don't understand how to have a relationship with some you can't communicate with.:scratch:

(i also don't know why i couldn't put smileys in my other post)

i had a great friend, who now refuses to talk to me (the reason for this is very strange and unreasonable) ( i don't think it's something she has against me, she has become a recluse) but the point is, she perpetually ignores me, despite living vv close to me , we have no relationship anymore, she is no longer my friend
Love,
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well maybe, the best way i can explain it is, look at my signature. i do not look at God like i look at a human being. i don't hear an audible voice. i don't see God in physical form standing in front of me. scriptures say, God is without form, so how can i expect that? all i want is God to be with me. i trust in Him. i live in faith and hope. that's it. Jesus isn't here in the physcial either. but i live in faith i guess is the best way i can explain it to you.
 
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Fuwari said:
i am trying to expect a reply...................i don't really think i know the answer to this question


If you're not walking with Him or reading His word, then how are you expecting Him to speak to you?


No
but once i was trying to, and he didn't reply then

The Christian walk is a long process. That you didn't hear God, or hadn't learned to recognize His voice yet, doesn't mean that He wasn't speaking.

He's still speaking. You just have to decide to listen.
 
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If you're not walking with Him or reading His word, then how are you expecting Him to speak to you?

What do i have to be doing to be 'walking with Him'?

i imagine the answer is to pray, read the bible, not steal, covet, murder etc

i have been taught by church and christian youth groups that being a christian is to have a relationship with Jesus. Well how can i have a relationship with someone i haven't met???

I really have tried, i have asked God to forgive me to let me int his family, he doesn't want me. I don't feel forgiven. I feel he is very angry with me.

Quote tattered saint:
since when are we promised a perfect, easy life because we can profess Jesus is Lord?

hum, i seem to remember being promised lots of suffering.

 
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Almost two years ago i went to a special christian worship meeting. The leader even started speaking in (i assume) tounges, part way through. It was awful, i felt like such an imposter, i would have got up and walked out, but concerned that this would draw more attention to me, i had to sit through it.it was after this meeting that i decided i wasn't a christian. if the presence of God was there and i could dislike it so much, i really must be evil.:eek:
 
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Fuwari said:
Almost two years ago i went to a special christian worship meeting. The leader even started speaking in (i assume) tounges, part way through. It was awful, i felt like such an imposter, i would have got up and walked out, but concerned that this would draw more attention to me, i had to sit through it.it was after this meeting that i decided i wasn't a christian. if the presence of God was there and i could dislike it so much, i really must be evil.:eek:

hey, don't be so low on yourself :)

i used to go to the pentecostal churches. i remember watching people fall down(slain by the spirit, ironic terminology now that i think about it), speak in tounges, give prophecy. i remember seeing all these people, and what did i "feel" or have happen? nothing. sure it gave me an emotional high, a happy good feeling, but then the next day, there was no fruit planted in me. and over time, i grew to dislike it. i didn't feel the fruit in it, i didn't catch the importance of all of that. i lost seeing the specialness of people going nuts in worship, because i saw it too much, and i have some memories of going nuts in worship, because i choose to, and i was joyous, but i didn't do it all the time, and over time, i saw no point in it. i must have been seen as the one who wasn't that strong, because i never spoke in tounges, i never did the things that people i knew in my circle of friends did. i remember, even in front of people, begging God in prayer to speak in tounges and nothing happened. now i have no concern for it. i believe it is good, as long as it is done right, but i don't believe it is nessecary and if God would ever do something like that, great, but i dont' predict i'll ever ask Him to give it to me again.

and to the quote you quoted from me. i see your response to have factual things in it. but you compare our suffering to the time that Jesus said this to the people He said this too, and think of their suffering. a world of difference, and our suffering in America is only laughable and nothing compared to what these believers went through for believeing in Jesus. we go through nothing in comparision. we may lose sleep over theological issues, but these people may have just been fearing to lose their lives for the sake of the Gospel.

so let me ask you this if you don't mind. what do you expect of God? do you think maybe your expectations lead you to destruction by any chances?
 
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Fuwari said:


What do i have to be doing to be 'walking with Him'?

i imagine the answer is to pray, read the bible, not steal, covet, murder etc

i have been taught by church and christian youth groups that being a christian is to have a relationship with Jesus. Well how can i have a relationship with someone i haven't met???

I really have tried, i have asked God to forgive me to let me int his family, he doesn't want me. I don't feel forgiven. I feel he is very angry with me.

Quote tattered saint:


hum, i seem to remember being promised lots of suffering.


I am not sure why you feel God is angry with you. You are seeking him, living best you can. You realized that once you have asked forgivness you have to forgive yourself too. You have to lay that stuff at God's feet. I know the idea of loved one's being separated from us is disturbing but if you believe God's Word you can only do what's right for you and hope they come to the same realization.

As far as feeling what God wants for you. Have you ever had a choice to make and all of a sudden got clear on what you wanted or needed. That is what prayer and listening to God is all about. If you are living right and praying you should know what choices to make and on other stuff you will get a clarity.

I hope you keep reading and praying. I think you are having problems letting go of somethings. I also think you are afraid of getting into salvation when other you love will not. I hope you can over come that.
 
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Fuwari said:
Hello
Maybe i shouldn't post post in a non christians area if i have a christian icon, but i tried to be a christian and i wasn't any good so i gave up. and now i'm scared that God is angry with me. maybe he will smite me, i might get hit by lightning.
maybe i never was a christian in the first place. lots of people alk about being changed and being filled with the holy spirit. i don't think this ever happened to me. why is the gospel called good news? surely it is really bad news? it is really scarey.
i think i have a lot more to say, but it is the middle of the night and i have to go to work tomorrow. maybe god will be angry that i'm going to work on a sunday. i think he will definatly be angry that i'm not going to church. i intend to go to church tomorrow, but really i don't think i will.

lots of love, from the worst christian ever:help:

Hi Fuwari,
Don't beat yourself up so bad. You're not alone in the way you feel, all of us have felt the same way at one time or another, if we are honest. We have known unanswered prayer and developed doubts when we didn't have that warm, fuzzy feeling. The truth is we don't always have an awesome experience when we accept Christ as our Savior and our lives do not change all at one time. Sometimes when God talks with us He is so suttle that if we're not in tune with Him we miss the message. Just know that everything is not going to be like fire-works going off. Listen to people that He brings into your life sometimes they carry a message from Him, keep praying and keep reading His word. Look around you daily and see His wonderful miracles, He still performs them you know. I am praying for you to find your way back to the Lord.
Love, Hisbygrace
 
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Fuwari said:


What do i have to be doing to be 'walking with Him'?

i imagine the answer is to pray, read the bible, not steal, covet, murder etc


We have a saying in our church: "Get into the word of God and the word of God will get into you".

You need to get into God's word. You need to find a Bible believing church. You need to develop a healthy prayer life. You need to surround yourself with Godly friends and people who will encourage you and hold you accountable.

i have been taught by church and christian youth groups that being a christian is to have a relationship with Jesus. Well how can i have a relationship with someone i haven't met???

If you don't know Jesus, then that's different, but you said that you were Christian.

Are you a Christian or not? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but you appear to be very confused about some things and I need to understand where you're coming from.

The Bible tells us that faith comes from hearing God's word. Maybe now would be a good time to get into God's word to build your faith.

I really have tried, i have asked God to forgive me to let me int his family, he doesn't want me. I don't feel forgiven. I feel he is very angry with me.

Do you have a Bible handy? If so, would you please read Romans 5:6-9 and tell me what it says?
 
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Hi, I think being a Christian doesn't necessarily being happy and faithful all the time. Sometimes there are down times and sometimes there are up times. Sometimes we have doubts and sometimes we have a strong faith. I used to have doubts too and still do. I have felt that God is just making fun of me for telling him these weird problems. And I have felt that I'm a hypocrite , because what I did was a total opposite of what I said I would do and also I felt that everyone else is also a hypocrite and that noone has a good heart, but that was because of my issue with trusting someone. But like someone already said, feelings changed, it may not chaged for awhile, but it change. The fact is God loves you and God listens to you. God may does certain things we may not understand right now, or in the near future, but we will understand it when the time comes. When you pray to God, don't expect an instant response. The response you get may not come for a long time and it may come in a way that you wouldn't expect at all. Isn't there a phrase saying "God moves in a mysterious way". When you pray, don't expect a certain answer, because God's answer maybe different from yours, but it's for the best, it may not be the best right now, but it's only a part of a big plan. For example, My mom always prayed that I would do great at my education, but I ended up failing for a year and almost expelled from the school, a totally different answer than expected, right. But wait, there's more, the thing is I have always been lazy on my study and God thought that I needed a kick on the butt to get me started, and it did, Right now, I have a pretty good grade and all thanks to God. And another thing is people don't always have a wonderful and heart-felt testimony. You know what was my testimony, my testimony was that I grew up in a Christian family, that's it, no big life changing experience . Being a Christian, will be a lot tougher than being a non-Christian, because now satan are trying to deceive you because you're not on his side anymore, he deceived you by putting guilt over past sins and putting doubt on your salvation. Being a Christian is having a relationship with God and this can be done by talking to God, but listen too. You can talk by praying, just think of praying as you talking to someone that's close to you, but also listen to God. But don't expect God answering by a booming voice or a burning bush, but He will answer in His own way and in His onw time, just be patient in waiting. Sorry, if the post is too long.
 
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Fuwari said:

I really have tried, i have asked God to forgive me to let me int his family, he doesn't want me. I don't feel forgiven. I feel he is very angry with me.

The good news is that you don't have to feel forgiven to be forgiven, and God forgives you the first time you sincerily ask whether you feel it or not. Remember that verse I posted, John 6:37?

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away."

Come to Him, and He will recieve you. He makes no exceptions. Ask Jesus to cover your sins with what He did on the cross, and believe in it. You will be good to go!
 
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quote tattered saint:

what do you expect of God?


something, not nothing..i don't really know what i expect. i expect i should be changed. and i do agree with you all when you say that change does not happen over night.........but it was three years ago when i decided to be a christian. and the difference in me between then and now is that then i was ready to beleive the bible and in Jesus but now i am confused and angry at being told what to think and feel......... (i would suggest this is not a good change! i was hoping for a more positive change!)

do you think maybe your expectations lead you to destruction by any chances?


i'm not sure that i understand this question................
but maybe do you mean that i expect the wrong thing, so then get discouraged. well maybe......am i expecting the wrong things......what i expect is from what other christians have told me..........


Quote MikeMcK

Are you a Christian or not?


well, i suppose if you are a christian you are saved and in which case you will go to heaven. but i feel if i died right now God would not let me into heaven
(although generally i am known among my friends for thinking and feeling stupid things which i have no real justification for. so...)

would you please read Romans 5:6-9 and tell me what it says?

it says that we have been saved from God's wrath by Christ dieing for sinners
does this mean he is not angry with anyone? or he is just not angry with those who have put their faith in Jesus?




 
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He's not angry with those who have put their faith in Jesus - and He is all about people putting their faith in Jesus:

"For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!" - Ezekiel 18:32

"I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent." - Luke 15:7
 
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