The White House meeting that preceded Trump’s ‘will be wild' tweet.

[wing2000]

01:42 AM December 19, 20202: Donald Trump sends a tweet....

“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election,” he tweeted. “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild.”

The tweet was preceded by a highly contentious meeting lasting hours between Trump and what I would call his "stop the steel advisors" Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, Rudy Giuliani , former Overstock CEO Byrne and White House attorneys and aides. In the end, Trump never signed any executive orders that would empower Sydney Powell to take any real action....instead, he sent a tweet...the "will be wild" tweet that prompted militant groups such as the Oath Keepers to come to Washington on January 6th.


Late on a Friday night about six weeks after Donald Trump lost his reelection, a fistfight nearly broke out in the White House between the president’s fired national security adviser and a top White House aide.

A motley crew of unofficial Trump advisers had talked their way into the Oval Office and an audience with the president of the United States to argue the election had been stolen by shadowy foreign powers — perhaps remotely via Nest thermostats.

For hours, the group tried to persuade Trump to take extraordinary, potentially illegal action to ignore the election results and try to stay in power. And for hours, some of Trump’s actual White House advisers tried to persuade him that those ideas were, in the words of one lawyer who participated, “nuts.”
...

[WH chief counsel] Cipollone was joined by other White House aides including Herschmann and staff secretary Derek Lyons, and the group listened as Flynn, Powell, Byrne and another lawyer working with Powell named Emily Newman assured Trump the election had been stolen. Meadows arrived eventually. Trump at times called other campaign aides and placed them on speaker phone.

“At one point, General Flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed IP addresses all over the world, and who was communicating with whom via the machines and some comment about, like, Nest thermostats being hooked up to the internet,” Herschmann recalled.

The group recommended that Trump sign an executive order — they had brought a draft — that would appoint Powell as special counsel and instruct the Defense Department to seize voting machines, testimony showed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/12/trump-white-house-meeting-jan-6/

 

[dqhall]

01:42 AM December 19, 20202: Donald Trump sends a tweet....

“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election,” he tweeted. “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild.”

The tweet was preceded by a highly contentious meeting lasting hours between Trump and what I would call his "stop the steel advisors" Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, Rudy Giuliani , former Overstock CEO Byrne and White House attorneys and aides. In the end, Trump never signed any executive orders that would empower Sydney Powell to take any real action....instead, he sent a tweet...the "will be wild" tweet that prompted militant groups such as the Oath Keepers to come to Washington on January 6th.


Late on a Friday night about six weeks after Donald Trump lost his reelection, a fistfight nearly broke out in the White House between the president’s fired national security adviser and a top White House aide.

A motley crew of unofficial Trump advisers had talked their way into the Oval Office and an audience with the president of the United States to argue the election had been stolen by shadowy foreign powers — perhaps remotely via Nest thermostats.

For hours, the group tried to persuade Trump to take extraordinary, potentially illegal action to ignore the election results and try to stay in power. And for hours, some of Trump’s actual White House advisers tried to persuade him that those ideas were, in the words of one lawyer who participated, “nuts.”
...

[WH chief counsel] Cipollone was joined by other White House aides including Herschmann and staff secretary Derek Lyons, and the group listened as Flynn, Powell, Byrne and another lawyer working with Powell named Emily Newman assured Trump the election had been stolen. Meadows arrived eventually. Trump at times called other campaign aides and placed them on speaker phone.

“At one point, General Flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed IP addresses all over the world, and who was communicating with whom via the machines and some comment about, like, Nest thermostats being hooked up to the internet,” Herschmann recalled.

The group recommended that Trump sign an executive order — they had brought a draft — that would appoint Powell as special counsel and instruct the Defense Department to seize voting machines, testimony showed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/12/trump-white-house-meeting-jan-6/

I watched part of the January 6 hearing yesterday. Someone there testified he had been deceived by Trump about the election being stolen. He was sorry for his involvement. He lost his job.

Over 840 involved in the riot have been arrested.

Some of the January 6 riot have been charged with seditious conspiracy. Trying to assassinate a vice president and overthrow the government is sedition, if not treason.

 

[wing2000]

Transcript from taped video excerpts presented during the 7th hearing...witnesses testifying to their recollection of the meeting....

Here's every word from the seventh Jan. 6 committee hearing on its investigation


UNKNOWN: Do you recall whether he [Derek Lyons] raised to Ms. Powell the fact that she and the campaign had lost all of the 60 cases that they had brought in litigation?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Yes. He raised that.

UNKNOWN: And what was the response?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I don't remember what she said. I don't think it was a good response.

SIDNEY POWELL: Cipollone and Herschmann and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the President.

PAT CIPOLLONE: I remember the three of them were really sort of forcefully attacking me verbally. Eric, Derek, and we were pushing back and we were asking one simple question as a — as a general matter. Where is the evidence? So.

UNKNOWN: What response did you get when you asked Ms. Powell and her colleagues where's the evidence?

PAT CIPOLLONE: A variety of responses based on my current recollection including, you know, I can't believe you would say something, like, you know, things like this. Like, "What do you mean where's the evidence? You should know." Yeah, I — things like that or, you know, a disregard, I would say, a general disregard for the importance of actually backing up what you say with facts.

DEREK LYONS: And, you know, then there was discussion of, well, you know, we don't have it now but we will have it or whatever.

SIDNEY POWELL: I mean, if — if it had been me sitting in his chair, I would have fired all of them that night and had em escorted out of the building.

ERIC HERSCHMANN: Which Derek and I both challenged what she was saying. And she says, well, the judges are corrupt. And I was like, every one? Every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost, every one of them is corrupt? Even the ones we appointed? And I'm being nice. I was much more harsh to her.

 

[durangodawood]

Transcript from taped video excerpts....ERIC HERSCHMANN: Which Derek and I both challenged what she was saying. And she says, well, the judges are corrupt. And I was like, every one? Every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost, every one of them is corrupt? Even the ones we appointed? And I'm being nice. I was much more harsh to her.

Stop the steal is such insanity.

The nation, well 30% of us, has been gripped by a strong delusion.

 

[Halbhh]

01:42 AM December 19, 20202: Donald Trump sends a tweet....

“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election,” he tweeted. “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild.”

The tweet was preceded by a highly contentious meeting lasting hours between Trump and what I would call his "stop the steel advisors" Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, Rudy Giuliani , former Overstock CEO Byrne and White House attorneys and aides. In the end, Trump never signed any executive orders that would empower Sydney Powell to take any real action....instead, he sent a tweet...the "will be wild" tweet that prompted militant groups such as the Oath Keepers to come to Washington on January 6th.


Late on a Friday night about six weeks after Donald Trump lost his reelection, a fistfight nearly broke out in the White House between the president’s fired national security adviser and a top White House aide.

A motley crew of unofficial Trump advisers had talked their way into the Oval Office and an audience with the president of the United States to argue the election had been stolen by shadowy foreign powers — perhaps remotely via Nest thermostats.

For hours, the group tried to persuade Trump to take extraordinary, potentially illegal action to ignore the election results and try to stay in power. And for hours, some of Trump’s actual White House advisers tried to persuade him that those ideas were, in the words of one lawyer who participated, “nuts.”
...

[WH chief counsel] Cipollone was joined by other White House aides including Herschmann and staff secretary Derek Lyons, and the group listened as Flynn, Powell, Byrne and another lawyer working with Powell named Emily Newman assured Trump the election had been stolen. Meadows arrived eventually. Trump at times called other campaign aides and placed them on speaker phone.

“At one point, General Flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed IP addresses all over the world, and who was communicating with whom via the machines and some comment about, like, Nest thermostats being hooked up to the internet,” Herschmann recalled.

The group recommended that Trump sign an executive order — they had brought a draft — that would appoint Powell as special counsel and instruct the Defense Department to seize voting machines, testimony showed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/12/trump-white-house-meeting-jan-6/

I think this article is useful to help some see a reality.

Not all articles are.

Changing topic... it is interesting they appear to maybe have believed their wild idea about the Nest thermostats. That's quite notable. While most can manufacture rationales to believe what they wanted to believe, such as that the election was stolen, this one is so bizarre.

Switching topics -- it matters so much to point out very precisely when a politician says an individual specific lie, with a factual word for word quote and the factual proof it's a falsehood. That's far more valuable to society than to point out that the person has done "5,000" lies or such, which even though accurate for one in particular still comes across as incredible to many, thus only seemingly political. Instead of that, one needs to point out 1 specific lie, at a time. Only 1. That's what can help those that won't be fooled 'all of the time'. So, it's not helpful to those people to just quote https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...isleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/ or such, because they have swallowed the lie that the 'liberal press is lying'. So, we have to avoid such articles, though true. They need to hear 1 individual lie exposed in precision, a specific one where very very few would deny the factual side of, so that it's irrefutable.

 

[Belk]

A motley crew of unofficial Trump advisers had talked their way into the Oval Office and an audience with the president of the United States to argue the election had been stolen by shadowy foreign powers — perhaps remotely via Nest thermostats.

 

[wing2000]

ERIC HERSCHMANN: And I was asking, like, are you're claiming the Democrats were working with Hugo Chavez, Venezuelans, and whomever else. And at one point General Flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed IP addresses all over the world. And — or ISP — who was — who was communicating with whom via the machines and some comment about like Nest thermostats being hooked up to the Internet.

UNKNOWN: So it's been reported that during this meeting, Ms. Powell talked about Dominion voting machines and made various election fraud claims that involve foreign countries such as Venezuela, Iran, and China. Is that accurate?

MICHAEL FLYNN: The fifth.

[I really hope Flynn and Giuliani are cell mates one day - who knows what else they can imagine together in jail]