The Weightier Matters Of The Law

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Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

If we are to love God and neighbor, we must be concerned with the weightier matters
of the Law: justice, mercy and faith.
These define the way in which we love in truth.

James 2:
8
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scriptures: Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself you do well;
9 but if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted
by the law as transgressors.

How often do believers separate verse 8 from 9 in quoting James. Is it too difficult to see
that God's Law is about equity, about impartiality in Judgment?
Yes, if we love our neighbor perfectly, we will fulfill the Law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment
of the law.

And yet, "if you have respect to persons you are a transgressor of the Law".
God's Law will pass judgment on those who talk a good "love the neighbor", but fail to
rightly comprehend the frailty of human nature and the ability to never show partiality.
Why do you suppose Jesus said:

Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and
children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.


The Lord is showing the extent to which you must be willing to go to remain impartial.
Do you find this to be the common understanding?

James 2:
10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point,
he is guilty of all.
11
For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you
do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.


So, we hear time and again, love your neighbor as yourself to fulfill the Law. And what
does it mean to love your neighbor? To show mercy with complete impartiality.
[see the parable of the good Samaritan. Luke 10:30]


James 2:
14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not
have works? Can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled, but you
do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
[i.e. show mercy]
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Would we reign with Christ in righteousness?
The "Royal Law" pertains to the Throne!

Psalm 89:14 Righteousness and Judgment are the Habitation of Thy throne:
Mercy and Truth shall go before Thy face.

Jeremiah 22:
15
Shall you reign because you enclose yourself in cedar?
Did not your father [Josiah, a righteous king] eat and drink,
And do judgment and righteousness?
Then it was well with him.
16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy;
Then it was well. Was this not to know Me? says the Lord.
 
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Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

If we are to love God and neighbor, we must be concerned with the weightier matters
of the Law: justice, mercy and faith.
These define the way in which we love in truth.

James 2:
8
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scriptures: Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself you do well;
9 but if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted
by the law as transgressors.

How often do believers separate verse 8 from 9 in quoting James. Is it too difficult to see
that God's Law is about equity, about impartiality in Judgment?
Yes, if we love our neighbor perfectly, we will fulfill the Law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment
of the law.

And yet, "if you have respect to persons you are a transgressor of the Law".
God's Law will pass judgment on those who talk a good "love the neighbor", but fail to
rightly comprehend the frailty of human nature and the ability to never show partiality.
Why do you suppose Jesus said:

Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and
children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.


The Lord is showing the extent to which you must be willing to go to remain impartial.
Do you find this to be the common understanding?

James 2:
10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point,
he is guilty of all.
11
For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you
do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.


So, we hear time and again, love your neighbor as yourself to fulfill the Law. And what
does it mean to love your neighbor? To show mercy with complete impartiality.
[see the parable of the good Samaritan. Luke 10:30]


James 2:
14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not
have works? Can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled, but you
do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
[i.e. show mercy]
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Would we reign with Christ in righteousness?
The "Royal Law" pertains to the Throne!

Psalm 89:14 Righteousness and Judgment are the Habitation of Thy throne:
Mercy and Truth shall go before Thy face.

Jeremiah 22:
15
Shall you reign because you enclose yourself in cedar?
Did not your father [Josiah, a righteous king] eat and drink,
And do judgment and righteousness?
Then it was well with him.
16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy;
Then it was well. Was this not to know Me? says the Lord.

I find it interesting the number of places that you find the term "transgressor of the law"
 
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I find it interesting the number of places that you find the term "transgressor of the law"
And yet there is "fulfill" in Christ, Halleluyah! If only the sons of men would find their
fulfillment in Him.
 
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Matt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Mint = A garden herb, known for it's its agreeable flavor. Sprinkled on floors in their houses & synagogues to produce a pleasant fragrance.

Anise = Dill, It has a fine aromatic smell, and is used by confectioners and perfumers.

Cummin = Also a herb. The law of Moses required a tithe on the “fruits of the earth,” Deut 14:22. It said nothing, however, about herbs.

Yet, Pharisees maintained the claim that they to should be tithed on. Christ said, honest judgment, mercy, faith & love are what is truly important.
 
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Yet, Pharisees maintained the claim that they to should be tithed on. Christ said, honest judgment, mercy, faith & love are what is truly important.
Yes, and the intent of the thread is to apply this to James 2:8, 9 as "the Royal Law".
The weightier matters pertain to the Throne.
Far too often I hear "Love your neighbor fulfills the Law", without acknowledging that any
favoritism transgresses the Law. Impartiality in mishpat is fundamental to the Law.
 
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Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

If we are to love God and neighbor, we must be concerned with the weightier matters
of the Law: justice, mercy and faith.
These define the way in which we love in truth.

James 2:
8
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scriptures: Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself you do well;
9 but if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted
by the law as transgressors.

How often do believers separate verse 8 from 9 in quoting James. Is it too difficult to see
that God's Law is about equity, about impartiality in Judgment?
Yes, if we love our neighbor perfectly, we will fulfill the Law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment
of the law.
And yet, "if you have respect to persons you are a transgressor of the Law".
God's Law will pass judgment on those who talk a good "love the neighbor", but fail to
rightly comprehend the frailty of human nature and the ability to never show partiality.
There is no condemnation for those in Jesus Christ. (Romans 8:1)

Those in Jesus Christ are not under the Law, but under grace (Romans 6:14)
Why do you suppose Jesus said:
Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and
children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.


The Lord is showing the extent to which you must be willing to go to remain impartial.
Do you find this to be the common understanding?

James 2:
10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point,
he is guilty of all.
11
For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you
do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.


So, we hear time and again, love your neighbor as yourself to fulfill the Law. And what
does it mean to love your neighbor? To show mercy with complete impartiality.
[see the parable of the good Samaritan. Luke 10:30]


James 2:
14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not
have works? Can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled, but you
do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
[i.e. show mercy]
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Would we reign with Christ in righteousness?
The "Royal Law" pertains to the Throne!

Psalm 89:14 Righteousness and Judgment are the Habitation of Thy throne:
Mercy and Truth shall go before Thy face.

Jeremiah 22:
15
Shall you reign because you enclose yourself in cedar?
Did not your father [Josiah, a righteous king] eat and drink,
And do judgment and righteousness?
Then it was well with him.
16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy;
Then it was well. Was this not to know Me? says the Lord.
 
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Those in Jesus Christ are not under the Law, but under grace (Romans 6:14)
Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

If we are to love God and neighbor, we must be concerned with the weightier matters
of the Law: justice, mercy and faith.
These define the way in which we love in truth.

James 2:
8
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scriptures: Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself you do well;
9 but if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted
by the law as transgressors.

How often do believers separate verse 8 from 9 in quoting James. Is it too difficult to see
that God's Law is about equity, about impartiality in Judgment?
 
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These define the way in which we love in truth.
Those ways are already written on our hearts.

If I love my neighbor, I don't need a written law to tell me
not to bear false witness against him,
not to kill him,
not to steal from him,
not to violate his marriage relationship,
and much more. . .not to tear up his yard, nor to be unkind to him, nor to disrespect him, nor to gossip about him, nor to unknowingly take advantage of him, etc., etc., etc.

I don't need a written code for that, it's already written on my heart.
All I have to do is choose to obey it.
I'm not perfect, so chances of me keeping it perfectly are pretty slim.
 
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I don't need a written code for that, it's already written on my heart.
Who was James addressing?
James 2:
8
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scriptures: Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself you do well;
9 but if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted
by the law as transgressors.
At what point did you discover that you were completely free of all favoritism?
 
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Who was James addressing?
Those who were breaking the royal law written on their hearts, of Matthew 22:37-40; Romans 13:8-10.

Did anyone say no one would ever break it, even if it is written on their heart?
Being written on our hearts doesn't mean it made us perfect.
 
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Did anyone say no one would ever break it, even if it is written on their heart?
Being written on our hearts doesn't mean it made us perfect.
How often do believers separate verse 8 from 9 in quoting James. Is it too difficult to see
that God's Law is about equity, about impartiality in Judgment?
Yes, if we love our neighbor perfectly, we will fulfill the Law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment
of the law.

And yet, "if you have respect to persons you are a transgressor of the Law".
Which is exactly why verse 9 cannot be separated from verse 8, seeing how that is
mid-sentence, and the topic of the thread. The royal Law is the expectations of the Throne.

The "Royal Law" pertains to the Throne!
Psalm 89:14 Righteousness and Judgment are the Habitation of Thy throne:
Mercy and Truth shall go before Thy face.
Equity in judging others impartially, and showing God's Mercy.

12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.
All covered in post#1, and restated for emphasis, to be on topic for the thread.
 
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Those who were breaking the royal law written on their hearts, of Matthew 22:37-40; Romans 13:8-10.

Did anyone say no one would ever break it, even if it is written on their heart?
Being written on our hearts doesn't mean it made us perfect.
Hello Clare, sorry to interrupt your conversation but can you explain more the last part of that post...
Thanks
 
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Hello Clare, sorry to interrupt your conversation but can you explain more the last part of that post...
Thanks
I'm not sure what you are asking.

Writing the law on our hearts is a change of heart or disposition toward obedience.

But we are still not perfect, and will sometimes fail in obedience to that law of love--impatience, irritability, dislike, etc. Not everyone is pleasant or comfortable.

Is that what you mean?
 
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I'm not sure what you are asking.

Writing the law on our hearts is a change of heart or disposition toward obedience.

But we are still not perfect, and will sometimes fail in obedience to that law--impatience, irritability, dislike, etc. Not everyone is pleasant or comfortable.

Is that what you mean?
Thanks, so can we ever be perfect (obeying the law fully) or not..
 
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Thanks, so can we ever be perfect (obeying the law fully) or not..
We can never be perfect in anything relating to God--in our love for him or our neighbor, in our obedience to him, in our trust of him, in our knowledge of him, in our holiness, in our worship of him, etc., etc., etc., because we cannot be sinless.
 
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We can never be perfect in anything relating to God--in our love for him or our neighbor, in our obedience to him, in our trust of him, in our knowledge of him, in our holiness, in our worship of him, etc., etc., etc., because we cannot be sinless.
That's a bit disappointing..why does God have to give up His Son to die if He knew His blood can never makes us perfect, holy, and declared righteous before Him?

Matthew 5:48...Be perfect therefore, as your heavenly Father is Perfect....

Matthew 19:21...Jesus answered, "if you want to be perfect, go sell all your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come follow me.

Genesis 1:26...then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky....
 
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That's a bit disappointing..why does God have to give up His Son to die if He knew His blood can never makes us perfect, holy, and declared righteous before Him?
Because sin must first be dealt with and its penalty paid.

His blood bought God's forgiveness of our sin and removal of God's condemnation of us for that sin, along with Christ's own righteousness being credited (ascribed, attributed) to us (not fixed in us).
Matthew 5:48...Be perfect therefore, as your heavenly Father is Perfect....
That is God's standard, not available by the law, available only in Christ, at the resurrection when all is transformed.
19:21...Jesus answered, "if you want to be perfect, go sell all your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come follow me.
Person specific. . .note that in Jesus' listing of the commandments the rich man was to obey, he left out "Do not covet."
I suspect this was the rich man's main problem preventing him from entering life.

Genesis 1:26...then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky....
And he was, Adam was created in righteousness, holiness and knowledge of God (Ephesians 4:24; Colossians 3:10). . .until he forfeited it.
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Because sin must first be dealt with and its penalty paid.

His blood bought God's forgiveness of our sin and removal of God's condemnation of us for that sin, along with Christ's own righteousness being credited (ascribed, attributed) to us (not fixed in us).
That is God's standard, not available by the law, available only in Christ, at the resurrection when all is transformed.
Person specific. . .note that in Jesus' listing of the commandments the rich man was to obey, he left out "Do not covet."
I suspect this was the rich man's main problem preventing him from entering life.

And he was, Adam was created in righteousness, holiness and knowledge of God (Ephesians 4:24; Colossians 3:10). . .until he forfeited it.
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I see...well, the law written in our hearts is in reference to Christ being formed within us...(Christ is the end of the law for Righteousness )

Our inner transformation begins at the time you accepted the Gospel...it ends when God send the Spirit of His Son into our hearts...(the fullness of God in Christ )

At the second coming, the revelation of our inner being with its "new body"... (old wine in old wineskin and new wine into new wineskin)
 
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I see...well, the law written in our hearts is in reference to Christ being formed within us...(Christ is the end of the law for Righteousness )

Our inner transformation begins at the time you accepted the Gospel...it ends when God send the Spirit of His Son into our hearts...(the fullness of God in Christ )
Returning to the topic of the thread, there is a purpose for the Lord to be doing these things
that you are describing.
Do the weightier matters pertain to us, or are they directed towards others, through us?
Just one example relating to the "Law of Liberty".

1 Peter 2:
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For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance
of foolish men;
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bond servants of God.
Our testimony is against the world, for His Glory.
 
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Returning to the topic of the thread, there is a purpose for the Lord to be doing these things
that you are describing.
Do the weightier matters pertain to us, or are they directed towards others, through us?
Just one example relating to the "Law of Liberty".

1 Peter 2:
15
For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance
of foolish men;
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bond servants of God.
Our testimony is against the world, for His Glory.
Okay thanks, first it directed towards us (individually ) then to one another....
In order to know how to do good to others is to know how to do good first to our Father...

Is that what you're asking?
 
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