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I was popping over to AiG to source some material for a new thread when I came across their News of the Week. Hilarious, in an odd and sad way, as usual.

1. FOX NEWS: “Mars Probe Finds Deep Hole on Red Planet”
... Then we arrive at paragraph three:
The hole might be the sort of place that could support life[.]​
A-ha! Now we know why this possible hole is receiving such attention: because it could be, just could be the habitat for that ever-so-elusive Martian life. The article goes on to explain that this possible cave “may cause more scientists to ponder about potential subsurface biology on Mars.”

Once again, faith in abiogenesis is fueling irrational exuberance in the search for extraterrestrial life.
That's conspiracy theory at its utmost paranoid. Of course a hole that might be a habitat for life would attract attention; if there was life on Mars, wouldn't you be terribly interested in it, even if you were a die-hard creationist? Mars-science explorers can hardly be faulted for wondering if a particular hole might harbor life; if it did it would be as big a discovery as any. Conspiracy theory simply isn't necessary.

2. BBC NEWS: “T. rex was ‘slow-turning plodder’”
Fearsome, lethal Tyrannosaurus rex: a cunning, quick, dexterous dinosaur that ruled the ancient world, right? Not quite. Several of those attributes weren’t true of the famous T. rex, including—as is being reported this week—the idea that T. rex was a quick predator. On the contrary, a Stanford University team reports in the Journal of Theoretical Biology that T. rex “was unlikely to have topped 40km/h (25mph) and would [have taken] a couple of seconds to swivel 45 degrees[.]” The team came to this conclusion after detailed computer modeling of T. rex motion based on previous biomechanical work.

One important principle that this research highlights is the substantial amount of guesswork that plays into our scientific understanding of the past. The science presented to the public—including to schoolchildren—is often caricatured and even distorted. This pseudoscientific environment, fueled by the rush of the media to repackage esoteric experiments into all-important, absolute facts, and general disinterest of the public to research things for themselves, is an obstacle to the constructive discussion of science. A prime example are the millions who blindly accept old-earth dating methods without even a modicum of understanding how the technique works. Many can claim dinosaurs died out long before man arrived on scene, but far fewer can explain how we “know” this.
T-Rex was a slow-turning plodder instead of a cunning, swift predator; therefore all of evolution and most of geophysics might be wrong tomorrow, and the only reason anyone would accept evolution is because they are being brainwashed. These guys have just set a new world record for the Furthest Mental Leap! (Unsupported by any logic, of course.) The one accurate bit of the article is that the media indeed rush to package esoteric experiments into absolute facts, and that this is recognized as an intrinsic problem in science communication of any kind. But it's not as if the problem isn't universal: thousands of AiG's readers blindly accept the conventional model of the Solar System without having ever heard of the phases of Venus, but we don't say that they've been brainwashed by heliocentrism!

3. ScienceNOW: “Stem Cells Without the Fuss?”
... And, again, we can’t understand why there is still a push that all fronts—in particular those with ethical concerns and loss of life—progress when there has been greater success with the use of adult stem cells, which does not cost life in order to save it.
Well, we can't understand either why they should insist that adult stem cell research should have anything to do with "Upholding the Authority of the Bible from the Very First Verse". Are they that short of noteworthy news?

4. LiveScience: “Origins of Human Nervous System Found in Sponges”
The creationists’ view, by contrast, is to emphasize that similarity can never prove evolution nor disprove creation. Evolutionists explain similarity through their worldview as the inevitable result of shared ancestry across all life. We creationists explain similarity through our worldview as the understandable result of one Designer creating a system of life that shares the same world. Indeed, the only statement in the article that uniquely supports either creation or evolution is the final paragraph:
Other genes would also have had to evolve or to have been co-opted to create complex nervous systems, such as our own. Scientists think an estimated 77 to 1,000 genes are important for human synaptic communication, Oakley said.​
Thus, while similarities are easily explained by creation and evolution, the differences are only explained well by the creation model; the evolution model, despite its supposed emphasis on empirical support, has never shown that mutations increase information—such as yielding the hundreds of genes required just for our nervous system—as Darwinian evolution requires. While this is interesting postulation, note that mechanism for the creation of new genes has neither been described, nor demonstrated, but is apparently blindly believed to have taken place.
"No new information", "no new genes", and "similarity is explained by common design" - a trifecta of creationist fallacies!


5. PhysOrg.com: “Study of staph shows how bacteria evolve resistance”
What actually happens, as even evolutionists will confirm, is that certain members of a population of bacteria have—due to mutations—a makeup that prevents the antibiotic from having its desired effect. For example, an antibiotic may destroy bacteria by eliminating its ability to absorb a certain nutrient. While this may kill most of the bacteria, those bacteria that lack this ability (due to destructive mutations) would not be affected. With the former group of bacteria removed, the latter group of bacteria would increase in number, resulting in the appearance that the single, monolithic population of bacteria has adapted to beat the antibiotic.

This PhysOrg.com article, which reports on careful observations Rockefeller University researchers conducted on bacteria in a patient, does not explain how the bacteria became resistant to antibiotics. However, it does note that the bacteria became resistant to one antibiotic that was not even used on the patient. This reinforces the reality that resistance is not induced by the introduction of antibiotics that force bacteria to evolve, but rather that resistance is the result of antibiotics killing all the bacteria that are susceptible to the antibiotic, leaving the resistant varieties to thrive.
i.e., evolution happened. When will they stop doing our work for us?


6. ScienceNOW: “Froggy Went a-Rafting”
The researchers also concluded that this island-to-island speciation occurred “only 50 million years ago, more recently than the existence of a land bridge between any Caribbean islands and Central and South America,” further supporting the idea that rafts made of “decaying plants, reeds, and roots, which can stretch for a mile and can surf along the ocean currents,” carried adult frogs or even frog eggs to new destinations.

We don’t agree with the timeline given (which is based on the assumption that evolution occurred). We do believe that the researchers’ methods to discern frog relationships are largely valid, as frogs would have all descended from an original amphibian (possibly frog) kind.

But, in particular, this research supports our post-Flood view of speciation that includes the possibility that animals traveled great distances on naturally occurring rafts. Once again, scientific research ostensibly reinforcing the evolution model is equally applicable to the creation model.
But of course, the same methods that researchers used to discern frog relationships (i.e. phylogenetic analysis) also show that all mammals have common descent, and that humans share common descent with apes. Would AiG still agree with those methods then? And the creationists still need to figure out how the frogs could have gotten to Central America in the first place ...

7. Harvard University Gazette: “A tale of two scholars: The Darwin debate at Harvard”
Indeed, the view nowadays from the scientific mainstream is not merely that accepting creation precludes one from contributing to natural history and the like, but rather that accepting creation precludes one from contributing to any body of science. On the contrary, while creation-believing scientists are definitely in the minority, there are thousands of successful, doctored scientists (including some listed on our creation scientists page) who accept the Genesis account of creation, and thousands more who reject Darwinian evolution (though not necessarily accepting the Bible’s account of creation).
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At the very least, we hope that some of the bright minds at Harvard were reminded that belief in creation is held by enough people—from all academic and intellectual backgrounds—to merit more than scoffing and instant dismissal.
Of course creationism merits more than scoffing and instant dismissal: it merits well-considered dismissal. The assertion that creationists are viewed as unfit to participate in any science is presented without any proof or citation. And dare we hope that some of the bright minds at AiG will be reminded that Agassiz and his contemporaries in geology began with the presupposition of the Global Flood, and then rejected it based on the sheer force of the evidence?

8. USA Today: “Poll shows belief in evolution, creationism”
Also interesting is the fact that more respondents said evolution was probably true than definitely true, whereas more respondents said creationism was definitely true than probably true. This is presumably because of the foundational role of creation within the Christian/biblical worldview; Bible-believing creationists stand on the Word of God as not only definitely true, but also as our “starting point.” By contrast, many who accept evolution may do so merely because it is what they were taught in schools, or because they have the impression that science overwhelmingly supports it (without having reviewed that science themselves). Thus, these individuals label evolution as probably true, leaving only the die-hard, committed naturalists to accept evolution as definitely true.
But creation is not creationism. And I would agree that many who accept evolution indeed probably do so simply because it is what they are taught in schools. We might, of course, dare hope that some people answered that evolution is "probably" true to make a statement about the provisional nature of science. Nevertheless, creationists would never make the same argument against heliocentrism; one wonders why.

And that rounds up the propaganda - oops, news of the week.
 

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And I would agree that many who accept evolution indeed probably do so simply because it is what they are taught in schools.

I like how this is used in a perjurative sense.

Other things that I accept just because I learned them in school:

-that the verb of the predicate should agree with the noun of the subject

-that the length of the hypotenuse can be derived by taking the square root of the sum of the squares of the two other sides of a right triangle

-don't mix acids and bases

-obects at rest tend to stay at rest, objects in motion tend to stay in motion

-don't forget your lunch money on pizza day
 
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Why not? The results are generally pretty dull. :p
I agree. The acid-base titration must be the most tedious and boring experiment known to all chemistry. Especially when you have to do it with a pH meter!

What I learned in school was, when a teacher says an experiment is dangerous, trust her. In particular, don't throw another, much larger, lump of potassium into the water while she has her back turned as she's writing something on the board.

The lab table still has scorch marks.
 
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I agree. The acid-base titration must be the most tedious and boring experiment known to all chemistry. Especially when you have to do it with a pH meter!

What I learned in school was, when a teacher says an experiment is dangerous, trust her. In particular, don't throw another, much larger, lump of potassium into the water while she has her back turned as she's writing something on the board.

The lab table still has scorch marks.
Aw, you got lucky. We weren't allowed to do that...we were shown a video of what happens. :(
On the other hand, I have some nice stories of what happened when people didn't balance centrifuges properly...or when the guy next to me was boiling something with sulfuric acid inside. Right after he took it out of the fume hood, the mixture shot out of the test tube like a rocket...I bet there are still black marks on the ceiling. :p

But organic chemistry lab is the most fun. Especially when they let you make benzocaine. ;)
 
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Aw, you got lucky. We weren't allowed to do that...we were shown a video of what happens. :(
On the other hand, I have some nice stories of what happened when people didn't balance centrifuges properly...or when the guy next to me was boiling something with sulfuric acid inside. Right after he took it out of the fume hood, the mixture shot out of the test tube like a rocket...I bet there are still black marks on the ceiling. :p

But organic chemistry lab is the most fun. Especially when they let you make benzocaine. ;)
Ah that's the advantage of having a backward education system ... nobody cares about safety in the labs. We didn't even have lab coats back in high school. Hehehe.
 
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Ah that's the advantage of having a backward education system ... nobody cares about safety in the labs. We didn't even have lab coats back in high school. Hehehe.
We didn't have lab coats either. We were just required to wear shoes, pants, and a t-shirt. And goggles. The gen chem lab was pretty slack, but the organic chem lab was run by a nazi. She once kicked me out for wearing the wrong brand of goggles (I kid you not). I was ticked, because IMO the correct "brand" (aka "department approved") of safety glasses were far less safe then the old goggles I had found in the back of my dad's lab (and more expensive)...but I digress.

Organic chem lab was still my favorite lab, even though I was in there 6 hours a week.
 
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We didn't have lab coats either. We were just required to wear shoes, pants, and a t-shirt. And goggles. The gen chem lab was pretty slack, but the organic chem lab was run by a nazi. She once kicked me out for wearing the wrong brand of goggles (I kid you not). I was ticked, because IMO the correct "brand" (aka "department approved") of safety glasses were far less safe then the old goggles I had found in the back of my dad's lab (and more expensive)...but I digress.

Organic chem lab was still my favorite lab, even though I was in there 6 hours a week.
My first organic lab didn't go well at all. We were supposed to do a simple esterification. I overheated and some white fumes came out the top of the reflux column. I thought it was nothing much. Turns out that was our vital sulfuric acid escaping through the top so that our reaction couldn't proceed.

Boy were we irritated when the next week came by and there wasn't anything remotely non-polar in our mixture at all!
 
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My first organic lab didn't go well at all. We were supposed to do a simple esterification. I overheated and some white fumes came out the top of the reflux column. I thought it was nothing much. Turns out that was our vital sulfuric acid escaping through the top so that our reaction couldn't proceed.

Boy were we irritated when the next week came by and there wasn't anything remotely non-polar in our mixture at all!
Ouch, that blows. I was always really careful - the worst thing I ever did was forget to close the stopcock on the separation funnel before I started pouring my mixture in. I caught it pretty quickly though, so it didn't mess up my results horribly. I did have to clean the HCl off the counter though...

The girl next to me, on the other hand, once connected the vacuum hose to the faucet instead of the vacuum. As a result, instead of vacuum drying her mixture, she sent water bubbling up through it...good times. :D A lot of free time as well. Fully half of the lab time was spent hanging around and chatting with the other folks in the lab while waiting for the solutions to do their stuff.

I miss chem lab...I won't be taking analytical chem until next spring (if I decide to apply for a chem minor, that is).
 
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t...good times. :D A lot of free time as well. Fully half of the lab time was spent hanging around and chatting with the other folks in the lab while waiting for the solutions to do their stuff.

I miss chem lab...I won't be taking analytical chem until next spring (if I decide to apply for a chem minor, that is).

I used to spend my free time with the funlovers who would put the odd flake of sodium down the drain pipe. I managed to fill a small balloon with hydrogen once. Oh the humanity....

Good times indeed. Who says I don't like science?
 
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I just finished my semester exams. All of my papers were honors pathway papers. The chem honors option paper I totally bombed; there was one entire question I hadn't even seen which had been scrounged off the lecture notes.

On the other hand, I walked out of the math paper an hour early, and I even thought I'd been a bit slow today.

And I'm still wondering whether I should minor in math or in chem? ;D
 
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I just finished my semester exams. All of my papers were honors pathway papers. The chem honors option paper I totally bombed; there was one entire question I hadn't even seen which had been scrounged off the lecture notes.

On the other hand, I walked out of the math paper an hour early, and I even thought I'd been a bit slow today.

And I'm still wondering whether I should minor in math or in chem? ;D
I always finish my math and science exams early. One time, I showed up late to a calculus exam, and was still the first person finished. History, on the other hand, always took me forever to complete (although I did get near perfect-grades :p )
 
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I always finish my math and science exams early. One time, I showed up late to a calculus exam, and was still the first person finished. History, on the other hand, always took me forever to complete (although I did get near perfect-grades :p )
Ahh, a kindred spirit! Though over here (as in most places, I suppose) you aren't allowed out of the hall during the last 30 minutes. Thus, finishing early has no practical benefits unless you finish half an hour early - which then is a good challenge!
 
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Ahh, a kindred spirit! Though over here (as in most places, I suppose) you aren't allowed out of the hall during the last 30 minutes. Thus, finishing early has no practical benefits unless you finish half an hour early - which then is a good challenge!
Nope, we're allowed to leave as soon as we finish.
My problem with the history exams is that I would start going into a lot of detail about everything (blast that good memory). Given that the exams were hand-written...and that I started getting writer's cramp halfway through...
 
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