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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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BrownCoat said:Did I spoil it?
No, you're fine. I just want to see if I can get a liberal to be consistent for once.
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OhhJim said:
And, other than 9/11 how many terrorist attacks on US soil had there been?
It's not like there were many attacks, we made changes to security and then we were not attacked.
We were not attacked on US soil by Al Qaeda (or any other Muslim fanatic terrorist) other than 9/11. To claim that anything we've done has prevented terrorist attacks is purely specious reasoning.
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whatbogsends said:
Hasty generalizations are bad.
The first WTC bombing was performed by Muslim fanatics.
Warships are technically sovereign U.S. territory, so, technically, the U.S.S. Cole bombing was an attack on U.S. territory.
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12volt_man said:
How successful has the training been? Oh right, not very, there is what one Iraq unit that can stand on its own. Yup, we're doing a great job!
A plan to leave? We are not formulating a plan to leave. Our plan is to leave when there is "victory." Ok, so what is victory? When we've won, how do we know that we've won, when we've achieved victory, etc, etc. This is all I've heard so far about a plan. Where's our real plan to leave?
Most Iraqis are welcoming us??? Bull, prove it.
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Actually we were attacked at the World Trade Center by Al Qaeda associates in 1993, although we didn't fully understand their involvement, or even who Al Qaeda was at the time. We had a minor attack, also in 1993 when Aimal Kasi, an associate of Al Qaeda pulled out an AK-47 at a stop light outside CIA headquarters and shot the people in cars getting ready to turn into tha Langley Va. facility. He killed two CIA employees and wounded several others. He was later captured in Pakistan and eventually was executed in Virginia.whatbogsends said:
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12volt_man said:
Oh for god's sake. Girls were able to go to school while Saddam was in power. Iraq was a secular nation, not the religious Islamic nation it is becoming now.
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Sycophant said:
No. I mentioned Iraqi people later on in my post, but the statement you're refering to wasn't refering to Iraq, although many of the things I've mentioned there are taking place in Iraq.
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That because the strategy is rubbish. Never in the History of mankind has force defused a terrorist threat.
The only recent victory I can think of that we have had over terrorism (just so I am clear by victory I mean a course of action which we persued which did not make the problem worse, and multiply exponentially the number of terrorists we were fighting, but reduced that number and brought us closer to peace) is the example of Northern Ireland.
We had a terrorist threat (the IRA) which executed several large scale attacks against civillian centres both in Ireland and on mainland Britain, and incidently who recieved a significant portion of their funding from the US. This terrorist network recently decommissioned their armaments because the UK and Irish governments negotiated with them to come to an agreement. Force didn't work. Interment didn't work. Nothing other than addressing the root causes of the problem, which WE created, worked.
Pulling together is all very well, unless you pull together towards the nearest cliff in which case lemmings come to mind...
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Care to demonstrate how Iraq was occupied by the Al-Qaeda? I'd love to see this connection. If you can find one, forward it on to President Bush.12volt_man said:
P.S. Nice little jab about consistancy. I agree with you though. I don't consistantly support one political party whatever the facts say.
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Are we now supposed to guess which of your statements refer to Iraq? Care to provide us with some clues? A chart?12volt_man said:
Basic statement: In a thread about Iraq, in a post that clearly refers to Iraq, statements with no clear target refer to Iraq. Assumption otherwise means consulting a crystal ball to determine what people are saying.
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Alarum said:
No one has said that Iraq was occupied by "Al Qeada".
Now, can you answer the question or can't you?
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