The war in the members

[looksgood]

Many times I wondered why I sin. I seek to live without it yet I find myself failing. I wondered how we can overcome sin. I wondered why we are so weak so often. After another hour in prayer, God showed me some things.

I read in romans and found some scripture that has always made me joyfull, yet I never fully understood.
Romans 7
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We are born under sin. Man himself is under this curse. Because we are born into this world under our parents. Being of the same cursed flesh of adam they pass the same curse to us. Therefor in our bodies we carry the curse of sin.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

In our own bodies, including the mind and thoughts dwell no good thing. The flesh is cursed by sickness and death, and that because sin dwells in it.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The law of the mind is to follow Gods law. Yet the flesh brings us into sin because it is born under that. So then, the law we would serve in our mind, we break with our bodies. But what was the true service of the law? It was to lead us to Jesus BECAUSE we could not follow it.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

So then with our mind we consent to God that we need Jesus, with the body we give reason to need Him. Thus we fail because we have yet to see the redemption of the body. But we are not of this body, but of Christ.

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The spirit of life. The new born again man. We seek God and would not comit sin. But these bodies are born under sin, and they must die. Yet our spirit is not born under sin. So with the body we sin because of the law it is under. But we are sinless in spirit and separate from the body.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

That is just so very good. But remember (just in case you think I am giving an excuse to sin).
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[looksgood]

Don't you hate it when ya know what ya want to say, and don't know how to say it?

The reason there is a battle and we lose often times is because we are still bound to our flesh. In our minds we wish to do good, yet in the same mind we sin because it is still born from flesh. And because of that we acknowledge in our minds we are sinners, and in so doing we honor the law (serve the law with the mind).

So instead we can live in the spirit. Our bodies will fall, but not us ourselves. For we are born of God in spirit. And in the spirit we say Jesus has paid for the sins of my body in His own! And He has given me His spirit that I may live with Him. So then the law of the spirit is to honor the blood of Jesus. So we are clean, except the feet (the flesh that walks through this world). And even it is washed constantly by the water of the word.

 

[Blessed-one]

The spirit of life. The new born again man. We seek God and would not comit sin. But these bodies are born under sin, and they must die. Yet our spirit is not born under sin. So with the body we sin because of the law it is under. But we are sinless in spirit and separate from the body.

i think i know what you mean, but you sound like as if it is ok to sin because we're compelled to sin in the flesh. sorry, i know you don't mean it that way..

yes, walking in the spirit is all christianity is about. To walk in the spirit in order to walk a holy life.

 

[Sharky]

THat's awesome there. Some i disagree but that's probably me taking it out of context.

There's so much good that i want to do in this world. But because of my flesh, that good never really gets done. I see what you mean there.

Paul wanted to do good but couldn't either because his flesh was too lazy, too discouraged or pained by worldly worries. The flesh is bound to fail because it's weak. Any small annoying ailment to the flesh will cause it to moan and groan and complain with a million reasons while the spirit is trying to get things done at the same time.

solution? Don't listen to your flesh . Walk after the spirit.

 

[looksgood]

Thanks for understanding. I know there have been times I tried to bring things like this out (which is hard to do) and have been called a blasphemer cause they took it out of context.

I was just giving the reason as to why it is so difficult to live in this world without sin. But no I was not saying it is ok to sin. Just that our flesh has sin in it, and will till we die. It is the feet that need the washing. But please note God said He would also quicken it. Meaning what is dead through sin will be alive by the washing of the word making us clean, even our flesh. Thus if we walk in the spirit we can avoid the mire the flesh would walk through.

I always wondered then why we do not walk in the spirit at all times. But what occured to me is that we do if we are born again. That is why He said we do not walk in the flesh but in the spirit if we are born again. It causes us to mortify (disiplen) the flesh. But the thing is, we are two. Though not really. We have a flesh that can only serve the law of sin and death. And it will serve that law. But we have a spirit that serves the law of life. The 2 are separate. Each one will lust against the other. We will do what we would not. Yet it will not be us who do it, but sin that dwells in our flesh. For we are not of this flesh, but of spirit.

No it is not ok to sin. The spirit does not, can not, and will never condone it. But flesh has it in there anyway till our redemption of the body. Till then we can disiplen it, but it is like another person. It is not us. It must continuely be washed in this world.

 

[ydouxist]

I really like you looksgood.
I believe you strive to be all God wants you to be.

Have you ever heard of Keith Green?
You need to listen to the song "When I hear the praises start"

It tells a story about Keiths walk with the Lord.

 

[looksgood]

Have you ever heard of Keith Green?
You need to listen to the song "When I hear the praises start"

It tells a story about Keiths walk with the Lord.

The name does sound familure. I am just not sure. Maybe I will look it up.

 

[looksgood]

I really like you looksgood.
I believe you strive to be all God wants you to be.

Have you ever heard of Keith Green?
You need to listen to the song "When I hear the praises start"

It tells a story about Keiths walk with the Lord.

Ah yes I heard some of those songs before. I just listened to a part of "My eyes are dry" I really liked it.

Oh and thank you for your high opinion of me lol. But I should put that glory on God as He is the one who has caused me to seek Him and be with Him.

 

[ydouxist]

Keith died over 20 years ago in a plane crash. He started "Last Days Ministries"

A friend of mine wouldn't listen to him, he said his music was "too convicting"

If you can't find the song When I hear the praises start I'll send it to you.

 

[looksgood]

Keith died over 20 years ago in a plane crash. He started "Last Days Ministries"

A friend of mine wouldn't listen to him, he said his music was "too convicting"

If you can't find the song When I hear the praises start I'll send it to you.

I found it, thanks.

 

[pmarquette]

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. the battle between our old nature ( carnal - the old man paul speaks of) and the new nature of God within us


Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good. I fail because without God and His grace , I cannot overcome temptation , trials , and oppression


Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. we procrastinate , postpone , are defeated by fear , hesitancy , and the desire to fit in


Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. If I do not renew my mind with the Word of God , If I do not permit Him to rule in me , I fail , fall short of His Will

 

[looksgood]

That is why we are to be washed by the water of the word. We are clean becuase we are no longer flesh. Yet this flesh IS the temple our spirit dwells in. It is not us but it is to be used by us. The mind is also only part of that temple. That is why He said let your mind be renewed by the washing of the word. That shows that our mind is a part of our flesh. Cause the spirit (who we are) is already clean and needs not be cleaned again.

When you really begin to grasp the differance and relise that the flesh is not you, then you understand your place with God. The flesh will fail, because it can not fullfill the law. But we are still sinless because we have put off this flesh. We do not claim it to be who we really are. But rather we recon it as dead, that we may be alive.

But even our flesh can rest in hope, knowing that it can also be washed by the water of the word.