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<blockquote data-quote="rakovsky" data-source="post: 64547203" data-attributes="member: 31810"><p>It is interesting writing with you, <strong>Bland.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>You commented:</p><p></p><p>That may be true, however if Christ is the Messiah then he correctly understands and teaches how God believes it is best for us to act. We very often fail to follow His model for us.</p><p></p><p>You commented:</p><p></p><p>Actually, I am afraid to say that many arbitrary, personal prophecy readings are incorrect. One of the best ways to understand prophecy is to look at how it has been handed down in the Church for centuries. A common argument against following early Church interpretations is that those Church teachers could be wrong. That is true, but it is also true for private interpretation. This is why early Church teachings should be strongly considered.</p><p></p><p>The case of Gog and Magog is one example. In the first mention in the Old Testament they appear to refer to people and later they appear to refer to places- a region north of Zion/Palestine being one example. However in the New Testament era many of these ancient concepts have been transformed. St. Paul says that circumcision is of the heart, for example. In Revelations it does talk about Gog and Magog, but they clearly are not referring to Turkey in that passage, but about vast numbers of people from "the four corners".</p><p></p><p>So at some points in the Old Testament it was referring to some persons or places, while in the New Testament era it gives a prophecy about others. The main lessons I think are to use discernment and skepticism, consider Church teachings, and recognize that when it comes to prophecy there is an element of visions, symbolism, and fog.</p><p></p><p><strong>You mentioned:</strong></p><p>Isn't the top moral obligation that was given to Israel and then to the world the worship of God?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I wish to avoid making a moral judgment call against the victims in that case, which very many Jews were, along with non-Jews as well. The Polish army was simply overwhelmed by the Nazis, who massacred very many of them too. Yes, the Polish had resistance, but not all Poles did. </p><p></p><p>It sounds like some interesting and exciting stories.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps one of the problems was how that energy against the racist fascists in Germany was redirected and converted into attacking a weak civilian population in the Holy Land. Very many Palestinians served in the British army in WWII and were against the Nazis. But they did not have an army or force of their own besides some militias, because they lived under empires for so long. I heard about Christians like Bishop Chacour who were very sad to hear about the genocide of Jews in Europe, and yet were driven out of their villages themselves by the immigrants' disciplined forces. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Iran would not want its cities to get hit by 200+ nukes either, B.Oatmeal.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm afraid it does. That does not mean the US should have no relations with the State, but major figures like General Petreus have stated that this is one of the downsides of the relationship. It's just a fact.</p><p>My guess is that the US and Israelis do not really care about Muslim extremism anyway because they are backing the kookoo Jihadis in Libya and Syria. But I digress.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes it does. It expects the US to take hits like losing status in UN organizations for failing to pay dues when Palestinians join. Congress passed a law saying the US had to leave UN organizations that Palestinians join. And it has. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Almost every country.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Losing UNESCO voting status was not a US interest.</p><p></p><p>In any case, I am trying to answer your questions in a straight way. The main thing I want to remember is our ideal for peace and caring about the less fortunate and how to work toward that.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.angel-fine-art.com/images/Prince-Peace-Lrg.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Take care.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rakovsky, post: 64547203, member: 31810"] It is interesting writing with you, [B]Bland. [/B] You commented: That may be true, however if Christ is the Messiah then he correctly understands and teaches how God believes it is best for us to act. We very often fail to follow His model for us. You commented: Actually, I am afraid to say that many arbitrary, personal prophecy readings are incorrect. One of the best ways to understand prophecy is to look at how it has been handed down in the Church for centuries. A common argument against following early Church interpretations is that those Church teachers could be wrong. That is true, but it is also true for private interpretation. This is why early Church teachings should be strongly considered. The case of Gog and Magog is one example. In the first mention in the Old Testament they appear to refer to people and later they appear to refer to places- a region north of Zion/Palestine being one example. However in the New Testament era many of these ancient concepts have been transformed. St. Paul says that circumcision is of the heart, for example. In Revelations it does talk about Gog and Magog, but they clearly are not referring to Turkey in that passage, but about vast numbers of people from "the four corners". So at some points in the Old Testament it was referring to some persons or places, while in the New Testament era it gives a prophecy about others. The main lessons I think are to use discernment and skepticism, consider Church teachings, and recognize that when it comes to prophecy there is an element of visions, symbolism, and fog. [B]You mentioned:[/B] Isn't the top moral obligation that was given to Israel and then to the world the worship of God? I wish to avoid making a moral judgment call against the victims in that case, which very many Jews were, along with non-Jews as well. The Polish army was simply overwhelmed by the Nazis, who massacred very many of them too. Yes, the Polish had resistance, but not all Poles did. It sounds like some interesting and exciting stories. Perhaps one of the problems was how that energy against the racist fascists in Germany was redirected and converted into attacking a weak civilian population in the Holy Land. Very many Palestinians served in the British army in WWII and were against the Nazis. But they did not have an army or force of their own besides some militias, because they lived under empires for so long. I heard about Christians like Bishop Chacour who were very sad to hear about the genocide of Jews in Europe, and yet were driven out of their villages themselves by the immigrants' disciplined forces. Iran would not want its cities to get hit by 200+ nukes either, B.Oatmeal. I'm afraid it does. That does not mean the US should have no relations with the State, but major figures like General Petreus have stated that this is one of the downsides of the relationship. It's just a fact. My guess is that the US and Israelis do not really care about Muslim extremism anyway because they are backing the kookoo Jihadis in Libya and Syria. But I digress. Yes it does. It expects the US to take hits like losing status in UN organizations for failing to pay dues when Palestinians join. Congress passed a law saying the US had to leave UN organizations that Palestinians join. And it has. Almost every country. Losing UNESCO voting status was not a US interest. In any case, I am trying to answer your questions in a straight way. The main thing I want to remember is our ideal for peace and caring about the less fortunate and how to work toward that. [IMG]http://www.angel-fine-art.com/images/Prince-Peace-Lrg.jpg[/IMG] [COLOR="Blue"] Take care.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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