The War Against Israel: 1948 to Present

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Before Israel became a state on 18 May, 1948, it was attacked by the armies of six Arab countries: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. Since that time, Egypt and Transjordan (now called Jordan) have recognized Israel's right to exist and signed peace treaties with her. The other countries are still at war with her, though many ceasefires have been made and broken by the Arabs. Besides those Arab nations, terrorsist groups such as Fatahn, HAMAS and Hizbullah have killed over 3,700 Israelis. Those terrorists are sponsored and equipped by countries such as Iran, Sudan and Libya. Countries such as Turkey have also launched hostile actions against Israel, such as an attempt by Turkish nationals a few years ago to break an arms embargo on the Gaza enclave; and there has been a continual propaganda assault against Israel in the UN and in the international media. This is the prelude of campaigns against Israel prophesied in Ezekiel 38-39, in Zechariah 14, and in various places in Daniel, Revelation and other books of the Bible.

The purpose of this thread is not to attack or defend the actions of any of the players in this conflict, but to treat them honestly and with an even measure, and to establish how current actions in the area and concerning the area connect with the above prophecies.

Previous threads on this subject have been closed without specific reasons given. That may also happen to this thread at any time. Please do not be discouraged from posting because of this, as I will continue discussions on new threads as need be and as I am permitted.
 
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Jewish deaths in Israel from terrorist attacks:

I. Under the British Mandate of Palestine

1920 9; 1921 24; 1922 5; 1923 0; 1924 4
1925 1; 1926 1; 1927 1; 1928 0; 1929 119;
1930 0; 1931 2; 1932 4; 1933 0; 1934 0
1935 1; 1936 44; 1937 10; 1938 94; 1939 26
1940 137; 1941 14; 1942 4; 1943 1; 1944 3
1945 1; 1946 28; 1947 152

2. From the year of Statehood to 1967

1948 379; 1949 37
1950 52; 1951 41; 1952 40; 1953 46; 1954 41
1955 30; 1956 53; 1957 19; 1958 15; 1959 10
1960 11; 1961 8; 1962 10; 1963 7; 1964 9
1965 10; 1966 10

3. From 1967 until the Oslo Accords of 1994

1967 16; 1968 55; 1969 33
1970 74; 1971 18; 1972 46; 1973 27; 1974 67
1975 39; 1976 14; 1977 9; 1978 57; 1979 10
1980 16; 1981 14; 1982 6; 1983 21; 1984 9
1985 27; 1986 14; 1987 11; 1988 16; 1989 40
1990 33; 1991 21; 1992 34; 1993 45

4. Since 1994, during the "Peace Process"

1994 65
1995 29; 1996 56; 1997 41; 1998 16; 1999 8
2000 43; 2001 207; 2002 457; 2003 213; 2004 124
2005 53; 2006 29; 2007 13; 2008 36; 2009 6
2010 10; 2011 21; 2012 9

TOTAL KILLED: 3,721 (1407 since 1994)

REF: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/osloterr.html

It should be obvious, that:

1. Neither the establishment of the British Mandate, nor the establishment of the State of Israel, nor the 1967 War, nor the so-called "Peace Process" have had a significant effect on the number of Israeli Jews killed by terrorists, with one exception:

2. The number of Jewish deaths increased significantly, with the start of the "Peace Process", during which time the terrorist organizations Fatah and HAMAS have been allowed to rule parts of Israel.

NOTE: I AM DISABLING LINKS ON THIS THREAD, BECAUSE CF HAS COMPLAINED THAT SOME OF THEM DO NOT WORK. PLEASE DO LIKEWISE.
 
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IRAN THREATENS WAR WITH ISRAEL

Several situations are developing in Iran, Iraq and Syria, that are heightening tension in the area. The most dangerous are:

I. Al Qaeda-linked, NATO-backed rebels in Syria now share part of Syria's border with Israel, with Syrian government troops occupying the other part as well as the Syria-Jordan border area. As Syria has been preparing for a major Iranian-backed push against the rebels, a terrorist attack near the border killed several highly-ranked Iranian advisors. This has prompted Israel to be concerned about defense on that border; and along with this is renewed concern about Syria equipping Hizbullah terrorists in nearby Lebanon with chemical weapons for use in a rocket blitz against Israel.

The latest major clash between Lebanon and Israel was in 2006, when Israeli forces made an incursion into Lebanon to clear it of 5,000 rockets Hizbullah had there and was using against Israeli civilian targets. Israel withdrew its troops, under Western pressure, when the UN assured Israel that armed Hizbullah forces would not be allowed in southern Lebanon. Hizbullah now controls the Lebanese government, and has 50,000 new rockets in the south.

II. Iran is continuing its nuclear weapons program. It already has enough highly-enriched uranium to make several bombs (Israeli PM Netanyahu's supposed but never actuated "red line" that would cause Israel to attack Iran). It is continuing to enrich even more uranium, and is working out details of its bomb production and delivery systems. Its program has been the object of a great deal of sabotage in recent years, from as-yet-unidentified sources. Because of recent sabotage incidents and the situation near Golan, Iran is nervous about what Israel will do. This is probably what's behind their recent threats of War against Israel.

III. Between Iran and Syria lies Shiite-controlled Iraq, which is threatened with Civil war between Turkish-backed Sunnis and Iranian-backed Shiites. Increased instability in the Iran-Iraq-Syria corridor increases the risk of a direct Iranian attack on Israel (though such an attack is more likely to come through Iran's Syrian and Lebanese proteges), and of Turkish military intervention in the area. Such Turkish intervention could lead to an Ezekiel 38/39 scenario.


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Here is the latest news from Israel and the countries threatening her. If anyone has trouble with the links, please report this to me so all my work doesn't get censored yet again.

Bible prophecy concerning the last days is that:

1. The Jews will return to Israel en masse, from nations across the world. this has already happened.

2. The Jews will have their own country, and it will prosper ("The deserts will bloom", as they have in the Negev and Gush Katif). This has already happened.

3. Israel's traditional enemies, namely, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt, will cease attacking Israel. Instead, the nations beyond them (Turkey, Iran, Sudan and Libya) will attack Israel -- and lose.

4. In the final campaign, all the nations of the world will attack Israel, leading to the appearance of Messiah.

I have given scripture references in the past, but they have been deleted. I will gladly supply them to anyone who asks.

There are no end-times prophecies concerning Syria per se, nor Aram, nor Damascus. All those prophecies were fulfilled millenia ago.

Israel is today threatened by all its northern and eastern neighbors: Turkey and Iran have both called for a war against her; Iran threatening not only a direct attack but also attacks from proteges in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. Turkey tried to break the Israeli arms embargo on Gaza a few years ago, and lost nine nationals in the assault. The President of Turkey has called this a "casus belli", or "excuse to attack". Turkey is also backing Al qaeda-linked terrorists in Syria, who have said they plan to destroy Israel. Complicating this, is the fact that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program to use against Israel; and chemical weapons in Syria could be used against Israel not only by the government, but also by rebel groups who may capture them.

There's a lot of saber-rattling going on, but it could also be the prelude to war.

LATEST NEWS:

First Publish: 1/28/2013, 3:15 AM

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Sunday that all Muslims should mobilize their resources to uproot Zionism.

"He made the remarks in his speech to the 26th international conference on Islamic Unity, saying that the prime goal of the Muslims should be terminating the issue of Zionism...

"Elsewhere in his speech, he said that it is not possible to attain unity without having a unique leadership, the Iranian news agency IRNA reported.

"The only leader who can guide the Muslim world is the prophet Mohammad, he underlined.

“'All differences and discords among Muslims have roots in our misunderstanding of Holy Quran and the guidelines of the prophet Mohammad,” said Ahmadinejad. “Today we need leadership similar to the prophet to get the Muslim world united...'

"Ahmadinejad’s hateful remarks were made on the same day that countries around the world marked International Holocaust Day."

-- Ahmadinejad: Mobilize to Destroy Zionism - Middle East - News - Israel National News

DEBKAfile Special Report
January 26, 2013, 11:04 AM (GMT+02:00)
Syrian Golan site of twin bombing
Syrian Golan site of twin bombing

"At least eight officers were killed in a mysterious twin-car bomb explosion Friday, Jan. 25 at Syrian regional intelligence headquarters in Quneitra on Golan Heights. Some of the fatalities were Syrian, but Western intelligence sources disclosed to debkafile that most were high-ranking Iranian Al Qods Brigades and Hizballah officers."

-- Iranian-Hizballah convoy blown up on Syrian Golan. Border tensions shoot up

By YAAKOV LAPPIN
01/28/2013 12:10

"Iranian dissident-turned CIA agent Kahlili tells 'Post' if such a blow was given to Fordow nuclear facility, it harms Iran drastically; says Tehran "has decided to retaliate against Israel from Lebanon."

"'Iranian dissident-turned CIA agent Reza Kahlili told The Jerusalem Post on Monday that an alleged blast at the Fordow nuclear installation in Iran is "the largest case of sabotage in decades.'

Although it has not yet been verified, a report by Kahlili, according to which a massive blast rocked Iran's key Fordow nuclear installation last week, continued to spread on Monday.

"Iran's Atomic Energy Organization has dismissed reports of an explosion as "Western propaganda," while The Sunday Times cited Israeli intelligence figures as confirming the claim."

-- Ex-CIA man: Iran blast largest s... JPost - Iranian Threat - News

Amir Rapaport
27/1/2013

"Increased Tension at Northern Israeli Border

"Tensions are increasing along the Israeli northern border, against the backdrop of growing concerns that Syria will soon transfer chemical weapons into the hands of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the possibility that Israel will attempt to prevent such a transfer.

"A special debate by the Israeli forum of nine (which consists of the top nine ministers) was held last Tuesday, and it has now been learned that there are various deliberations among the IDF senior echelon, including officials from the IDF Northern Command, the Home Front Command, and the Home Front Defense Ministry.

"Earlier today, the IAF deployed an Iron Dome battery in the Haifa region, directed towards Lebanon. A series of improvements was recently introduced to the system batteries, allowing them to deal with heavier and longer-ranged missiles and rockets."

-- Increased Tension at Northern Israeli Border
 
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Somehow, we seem to have a disconnect here. Let me just give an overview of what's happening in the Middle East today, and how this is connected to your lives. Bear in mind that I am a "heretic", in that I didn't consult any of the Church Fathers before composing this: It's just what I have picked up directly from reading the Bible. If there is an occasional discrepancy between what I say and what you (including you atheists) hold dear, please forgive me -- no harm is intended.

Somewhere between 12,000 and 6,000 years ago, a dramatic change happened in the development of mankind, called the Neolithic Revolution. Up until this time, mankind did some pretty crafty things, fashioning tools from stones, bone, etc., and hunting and gathering for food. During the "Revolution", man started domesticating plants and animals. This made him more settled in one location and, because he could produce far more food through agriculture than he could by hunting and gathering, people began to start living closer together.

The Bible begins with the Books of Moses, which were compiled during and shortly after the time of said Moses, around 1410-1450 BC. The scriptures begin with the story of creation, which Moses obviously was not an eyewitness of; he had to have received that as a revelation, probably at Sinai. The creation narrative ends at Gen 2:6, with the words,

[4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
[5] And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
[6] But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The whole creation process, up to the time of Adam, took, according to scientific calculation, about 14-15 billion years from our inertial frame of reference, which, from the frame of reference of the Big Bang, was six days (cf. Prof. Gerald Schroeder -- http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Convergence-Scientific-Biblical/dp/1439129584). Then the "human" narrative of the Bible begins, with an individual called "Adam":

Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2
[7] [FONT=TITUS Cyberbit a href=]וייצר[/FONT] יהוה אלהים את האדם עפר מן האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃

The term
[FONT=TITUS Cyberbit a href=]נפשׁ[/FONT], pronounced "nehphesh", means "breathing"; but in the case of Adam, it obviously doesn't mean ordinary breathing of ordinary air; it means breathing the holy spirit of God. He was the first man in the Biblical genealogy to have a relationship with God. From this point onward, the Bible talks about his descendants, and about their relationship with God and with one another. That relationship did not have to come as a direct revelation to Moses or to anyone else; it became part of mankind's written and oral history.

This significance of Adam to us, therefore, is that from Adam, through an unbroken succession of generations, we have received the knowledge of God. The Bible records this genealogy, interspersed with short stories about important characters such as Enoch and Noah, up to the time of the Flood. From there, the genealogy and stories focus on one line of descent, that of Abraham. That is because although all of the sons of Noah were NATURAL descendants of Adam, only Abraham transmitted to us the knowledge of God.


From this, the importance of the Jewish people should be obvious: Abraham was an INDIVIDUAL with a living relationship with God (Namely, he received revelations from God and spoke with heavenly messengers), a relationship which he passed on to his son and grandson, Isaac and Jacob. Through Jacob, however, something else happened. Jacob also had personal encounters with God, in one of which his name was changed to "Israel". From Jacob came twelve sons, who grew to be a great nation. In Egypt, God culled that nation. He spoke to Moses; and whoever believed God through Moses became part of that nation; the rest remained behind in Egypt. Then, at Sinai, God revealed himself from the cloud to the entire congregation. From that time forward, man's relationship with God was no longer a matter of individual revelations, but of a connection through faith with ONE revelation, which we know as the Bible.

Christians count their connection with God through Jesus; and this is so. Jesus, however, did not come to give us a brand new revelation, as Adam did. Jesus' revelation to us came as an EXPLANATION of what came before. He explained that revelation through parables, through his life among his followers, and finally, through the demonstration in his own body of the power of God through his resurrection from the dead.

Believers in the New Testament acknowledge that the word of God did not come to us first through Jesus, but through the Jewish people. That is why we consider the Old Testament, which was written before Jesus was born, to be the inspired word of God. In fact, among all the saints in the New Testament, the Old Testament WAS the "scriptures" which Paul and the other apostles used to instruct and admonish the church: There WAS no New Testament -- The New Testament was being written by their lives. As Paul charged the church,

Rom 15
[12] And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

and

Rom 11
[16] For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
[17] And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[18] Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[19] Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

God made a covenant with the Jewish people through Moses, a covenant described as "eternal", which he has never abrogated. Christians claim to be heirs of a "new" covenant with the Jewish people, described in Jeremiah 31:31; but though the Jews broke the covenant that preceeded it, this did not destroy it.

As part of that covenant, God promised to resturn Israel to their land, and to restore their fortunes. This promise, in fact, was given BEFORE promises of Messiah and was repeated AFTER those promises. If we accept Messiah, then, as having been scripturally ordanied, we must also accept the validity of God's promises to Israel; and if we say God's promises to Israel, transmitted through the eternal life of His spirit, have become old and died, then what guaranty have we that His word through Jesus has not also perished? As Paul said, "if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee."

It is therefore vitally important to us, that God has returned Israel to her land in these last days. There is a great controversy over this return, a controversy that comes up month after month in the United Nations (which, in the Hebrew, is translated as the "United Gentiles"); and the matter takes up MOST of the time and paperwork of that prestigious body. This is not just "a" controversy. It is THE controversy of our day, which all the nations of the earth have taken upon themselves to get involved in; and it is written in blood.

Our lives and heritage are bound up in this controversy. That is why I find it curious, that so few Christians are interested in it.

Shalom shalom :wave:
 
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shouldn't this be in the history fora not news and current events? :scratch:
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No -- it's about a war that is currently going on. Did you think current events just popped out of the shy? I was born the same year as Israel, and I'm not history yet.
 
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shouldn't this be in the history fora not news and current events? :scratch:
tulc(just wondering) :wave:

Probably. Or a blog or eschatology. There obviously isn't a war. It's just more of the doomsaying of how everyone will imminently attack Israel which somehow ushers in the end times and the Left Behind book series or some silliness.
 
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Probably. Or a blog or eschatology. There obviously isn't a war. It's just more of the doomsaying of how everyone will imminently attack Israel which somehow ushers in the end times and the Left Behind book series or some silliness.
That's the joke of the century. Not funny, though.

BTW. If there's no war, I guess there's no need for a "peace process", right?
 
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I was hoping the readers would be interested enough in what is happening in the world around them, to realize that Israel has been at war for 65 years. I seem to be living in a generation that believes that they can make things happen and not happen, just by saying so. Does Israel exist? No. Why? The Arabs say so. Does the "State of Palestine" exist? Yes. Why? The Arabs say so. Is Israel at war? No. Why? because -- you tell me. Israelis just dive for cover on a regular basis when sirens go off, and occasionally have unfortunate accidents where they run into otherwise harmless exploding rockets, go shopping with M-16s strapped to their backs and buy gas masks for their children because, well, that's the fad.

No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus; but Israel is at war, and will continue to be at war until her neighbors recognize her right to exist.

President Obama, meanwhile, is not at war; because he has decreed this to be so. He has quietly passed on that onus to the French, Turks, Jordanians and Israelis; and I, for one, am glad he has. If he would just stop meddling and shipping tanks and fighter planes to Egypt to fight Israel and put down their own dissidents, I would be even more glad. Israel, on the other hand, does not have that luxury: They are faced with 50,000 advanced Iranian missiles in Lebanon, which could be armed at any time with chemical weapons, with a replenished supply of rockets and mortars from Gaza, with almost daily terrorist attempts in Judea and Samaria, with a hot war right across the fence in Golan that occasionally spills over into Israel, and with an enemy in Iran working around the clock to produce nuclear weapons to toss at her. Her annual military budget is sky high and necessarily so, and most of her able-bodied population must be prepared for immediate mobilization without prior notice.

I won't belabor this point, but I will try to occasionally post significant incidents and maneuvers. Here is one:

"US reluctant to step in vs. Syrian chemical threat, urges neighbors to cope

DEBKAfile Special Report January 28, 2013, 8:31 PM (GMT+02:00)

U.S._Navy_strike_groups1.2013.jpg

US Navy strikes groups idle in dock

"Comments by US President Barack Obama and Ambassador Dan Shapiro lack a US commitment to step in against the Syrian chemical threat. Obama is concerned with juggling his global military priorities against a shrinking defense budget. debkafile: The onus for coping with the chemical peril is being passed by Washington to Turkey, Jordan and Israel. US aid will be confined to setting targets, providing intelligence and coordinating Israeli-Turkish-Jordanian military operations if necessary to take control of the dangerous arsenal..."

-- US reluctant to step in vs. Syrian chemical threat, urges neighbors to cope

The Bible says that Turkey (then known as "Magog") will be UNWILLINGLY drawn into a conflict with Israel. With the world's superpower stepping back from the spreading, intractable situation in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, it is inevitable that Turkey, Iran and Israel will all be drawn into it -- quite against the will of everyone involved.

And yes, Adaephon, Israel is at war with Lebanon, Syria AND Iraq. Fighting has been going on between them for 65 years, interrupted by cease-fires for everyone to re-stock munitions. There has never been a peace agreement with any of those countries, because none of them will acknowledge Israel's right to exist. The last exchange of gunfire over the Israel-Syria line happened a matter of days ago:

"(Debka) At least eight officers were killed in a mysterious twin-car bomb explosion Friday, Jan. 25 at Syrian regional intelligence headquarters in Quneitra on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights. Some of the fatalities were Syrian, but Western intelligence sources disclosed to DEBKAfile that most were high-ranking Iranian Al Qods Brigades and Hizballah officers. The blasts sent tensions shooting up on the Israeli and Jordanian borders with Syria. Israeli, Jordanian and US Special Forces posted in the kingdom went on high alert. Heavy Syrian reinforcements were seen streaming toward the two borders."

-- Iranian-Hizballah convoy blown up on Syrian Golan. Border tensions shoot up

That happened on the very border, where over the past few months there have been airstrikes and artillery exchanges. Besides this, anyone who thinks the war going on in Syria, which has so far claimed over 60,000 lives, will somehow miss Israel is delusional. Meanwhile, in Israel itself,

"Israel’s Shin Bet Says it Foiled 100 Terror Attacks in 2012

January 25, 2013 9:56 am

"Israel’s domestic spy agency, the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet), says it thwarted 100 “serious” terror attacks in 2012, of which a third were planned kidnappings, the agency revealed in a report published Thursday. The Shin Bet said it arrested 2,300 terror suspects, which led to 2,170 indictments..."

-- Israel's Shin Bet Says it Foiled 100 Terror Attacks in 2012 | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

That comes out to two terror plots and over 40 indictments every week.

Shalom shalom :wave:
 
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No -- it's about a war that is currently going on. Did you think current events just popped out of the shy? I was born the same year as Israel, and I'm not history yet.

Ray Kroc started his fast food chain the year I was born, I'm not history either nor is this current news so far. :wave:
tulc(mmmmm...big macs....so bad for you....) :cool:
 
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Ray Kroc started his fast food chain the year I was born, I'm not history either nor is this current news so far. :wave:
tulc(mmmmm...big macs....so bad for you....) :cool:
I suppose I ought to thank you for that bit of Kroc. Eating a Big Mac is certainly a current event for the one eating it, though I don't recall personally doing so for over forty years.

Getting back on topic, Israel has repeatedly come under fire for a PERCEIVED act of war which hasn't happened yet, but which some THINK might happen -- namely, bombing Iran's nuclear facilities to prevent the Iranians from developing nuclear weapons for use against Israel. The main objection to this hypothetical Israeli strike in retalliation for a hypothetical Iranian strike, is that such an action is not necessary because Iran's nuclear ambitions can be stopped with sanctions.

In news related to this, the President of North Korea has threatened retalliation for what he considers "acts of war" against North Korea by South Korea and the US, namely, sanctions. US Congressman Ron Paul also opposed sanctions against Iran as "acts of war".

Meanwhile, Iran has been undeterred in its nuclear weapons project, and it will eventually have to be dealt with. It has just tested a nuclear-capable ballistic missile as a "space mission", putting a monkey on board instead of a bomb -- with the obvious implication that it can do the switch whenever it pleases, and strike any target in the world. Down on the ground, however, they have been having trouble lately with things blowing up (sigh!)

Qatar has been trying to supply the Arab residents of Gaza with fuel, but has been prevented from doing so by the continuing strife in Egypt:

"Sunday, January 27, 2013
Qatari fuel for Gaza halted due to Egypt unrest

Qatari fuel for Gaza halted due to Egypt unrest
Published today (updated) 27/01/2013 14:41
Qatari fuel for Gaza halted due to Egypt unrest | Maan News Agency...

"The Qatari fuel is part of 27 million liters donated by the Gulf state to
ease Gaza's energy crisis. It was delivered to Egypt and is being
transferred to Gaza with Israeli cooperation through the Sinai border
region."

-- IMRA - Sunday, January 27, 2013 Qatari fuel for Gaza halted due to Egypt unrest

It may shock some here, to know the nature of the "brutal Israeli occupation" of Gaza.

1. According to the Oslo accords, Israel was supposed to provide administrative and security control of various lands in Gaza called "Gush Katif". These lands contained 10,000 Jewish inhabitants. In 2005, the Israeli government brutally evicted those residents, some of which continue to this day as internal refugees in Israel. That was a war crime, but it was perpetrated against Jews; so the International Community applauded it.

2. After ethnically cleansing Gaza of its Jews, Israel relinquished all military presence in Gaza. The Gazan Arabs almost immediately responded by rocket attacks against Israel "proper" -- namely, lands owned by Jews and designated as belonging to them by the UN in 1947.

3. Israel imposed an arms embargo against the Gaza enclave, to prevent the importation of rockets and other materials having military purposes. This included a naval blockade, whcih exists to this day. Several countries from outside the area have attempted to breach this blockade, but Israel has intercepted them and diverted them to the Israeli port of Ashdod so their cargos could be properly inspected. In one notable incident, Turkish terrorists aboard a blockade-breaking vessel attacked Israeli troops, who retalliated and left nine Turks dead. Before embarking on their mission, those activists had vowed to "die as martyrs".

4. Humanitarian aid regularly flows into Gaza from Israel, who has also been responsible for supplying Gaza with water and electricity. Only military materials are forbidden, because they are used against Israel's citizens. Sick and injured Gazans, moreover, including those injured carrying out attacks on Israel, are routinely treated in Israeli hospitals.

5. Besides being able to access Gaza through Israel, countries are free to trade with that entity through Egypt (as the current Qatari oil shipment will eventually do). The Gaza-Egypt border is presumably controlled by an international consortium of Israel, Egypt and the European Union; but most trade with Gaza is illegal and bypasses the crossings through tunnels under the border.

Shalom shalom, and lay off the Big Macs -- for your own good. :wave:
 
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No, not at all. I'm just not sure the brutal Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands necessarily counts as a war in the traditional sense.
Hi, Adaephon

I suppose you wanted to shock me and the readers with your "brutal Israeli occupation" comment. You don't show your nationality; but as an American, heretic Christian, pro-Israel fundamentalist Republican, I've heard it all -- from "Capitalist Imperialist Aggressor" to "Bloody Yank" to "Neocon", you name it. I suppose it's a useful epithet, in that now I know where you stand as you know where I stand. My actual problem isn't so much "where" I stand, though, as the fact that it's been getting more difficult to stand over the years because I've put on too much weight. I told Tulc that I probably haven't had a Big Mac® for over 40 years, but I did have some Burger King® products more recently than that, and my body has yet to slough them off.

You mentioned the "traditional" sense of war. I was born in 1948 which, as I have noted, was the beginning of the modern State of Israel as well as the unending war against that state. It was also the start of the "Cold War". Some of the more salient aspects of that war, from my viewpoint, were:

1. Two of my brothers-in-law served in Korea, one of them before the 1953 Ceasefire. You might note that this WAS only a ceasefire, and that a definitive peace agreement was never put in place. My other brother-in-law, who served after that ceasefire, was as much in danger as the first, because the situation for the past 60 years has been one that could erupt into open battle at any moment -- as this morning's press about Kim Jong Un's latest threats amply indicates.

2. My third sister's two husbands were also in the military, the first being stationed on Polaris submarines -- cut off from communication with the outside world for months at a time, yet having the responsiblity to hurl nuclear warheads at the Soviet Union in response to an order. He served just a few years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, in which Russian commanders were ordered to launch nuclear-armed torpedoes if attacked.

3. My own culpability to the draft, which damned near sent me to Vietnam.

4. Spending my grade school years having regular "duck and cover" drills to prepare for a nuclear attack

5. Having to wait before eating supper every day as a teenager, waiting for the B-58 to accomplish his daily simulated bombing mission over out house, complete with sonic booms

6. Having my passport stamped with the names of countries I was forbidden to visit, under pain of imprisonment; and living in a land where the press was embedded with profuse wartime propaganda and censorship.

We called that a "war", and it officially ended around 1989. During the 40+ years of its duration, Americans and Russians were literally only minutes away from annihilating each other, and both sides had commanders and soldiers in the field ordered to do just that, pending a signal from their government.

The Cold War had not long ended, when it was replaced by the "War on Terror" that has justified incredible expenditure of taxpayers' money, cost millions of lives, and led to campaigns in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Mali, and other places, along with draconian security measures at airports and other places, warrantless Internet spying against US citizens, you name it.

What's a "traditional" war? Before the US Civil War, it was musketry and bayonet charges. Then it became Gatling guns, then chemical weapons, then tanks, then helicopters and now drones. There's nothing "traditional" about warfare, although some things stay the same: Israeli children are the only children in the world, for instance, who all have to be issued gas masks.

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Israel is one of the few countries in the world, where civilians must necessarily be armed to the teeth, and armed citizen-soldiers are everywhere present

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Israel is probably the only country in the world, where most of its young adults are expected to fully mobilize into combat units within 20 hours when called up, and have been repeatedly called up in the past few months

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That might not be "traditional", but it's been a way of life for Israelis for 65 years.

Shalom shalom :wave:
 
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