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<blockquote data-quote="BlandOatmeal" data-source="post: 62444675" data-attributes="member: 137411"><p>You're ever the "optimist", Supreme. In practical terms, all Israel's enemies need to do is what Egypt and Jordan did: cease all belligerence, and recognize the Jewish state of Israel. Both terrorist leadership groups in the Arab Palestinian areas (Fatah and HAMAS) steadfastly refuse to do so; and even if they decided to, it would take decades to undo the hatred the PA educational system has instilled into its children for decades. I rate the chances of peace with those two as zero or less.</p><p></p><p>By the way, I strayed in my "mapping", to note how much Europe looked like a many-headed dragon. If I based my predictions on things like these, I would be in the same class as Interpreter, with his star charts and horses. Just to check my sanity, I looked up Draco ("the Dragon") in the star maps. It's this:</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/ConstellationDraco.djvu/page1-480px-ConstellationDraco.djvu.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Image source: <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/ConstellationDraco.djvu/page1-480px-ConstellationDraco.djvu.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/ConstellationDraco.djvu/page1-480px-ConstellationDraco.djvu.jpg</a></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p> </p><p>Without the lines to guide me, I would never connect the dots to come up with a dragon; yet the ancient astrologers seemed certain that's what they saw. The same would hold for maps and horses.</p><p></p><p>When I do make predictions, it is based on comparing scriptures with one another. On big bone of contention between Interpreter and me, is the role of the USA in the end times. I consider it to be the great, awesome power of the end times that no nation on earth dared to challenge in open combat. There is, and never has been since Roman times, a country with such absolute power as the US. The British Empire was challenged twice by Germany, and before that, by France. Before them, the Spanish were challenged by the French, etc. The US was challenged by the USSR, but always through surrogates; and in the end, it capitulated.</p><p></p><p>Another reason for believing the US would be among the nations that, in the end of the age, attacked Israel, is that Zech. 14 says ALL the nations would fight against Israel. The US, of course, is part of ALL nations; and since we haven't attacked Israel so far, our participation in this passage of scripture is in the future.</p><p></p><p>The most convincing proof, to me, of America's "villain" role, is the "little horn" prophecy of Daniel:</p><p></p><p>Dan 7</p><p>[<strong>7</strong>] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.</p><p>[<strong>8</strong>] I considered the horns, and, behold, <span style="color: Red"><strong>there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots</strong></span>: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.</p><p>[<strong>9</strong>] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.</p><p>[<strong>10</strong>] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.</p><p></p><p>Many other "little horns" have been proposed, none convincingly. Interpreter sees this horn as Hitler; but there are several obvious objections to this: First of all, Hitler died, and his death did not issue in the Messianic Millenium. Secondly, he never attacked Israel. Thirdly, he conquered many nations, but did not pluck any of them up by the roots: They all survived and returned to non-Nazi governments. Most, in fact, were never completely conquered: Central Africa remained loyal to the Free French; Belgian Congo remained loyal to King Leopold; the Dutch continued to rule in Suriname, the Danes (nominally) in Iceland and Greenland. Poland and Greece were decisively conquered, but continued as governments-in-exile. When the US and its allies conquered Germany, Italy and Japan, however, they deposed the leaders (except for Hirohito, who, even worse than being deposed, was forced to renounce his divinity), dissolved the governments, dismantled the ruling parties, and, after ruling them directly, have dealt with them to this day as puppet governments.</p><p></p><p>So much for "plucking". In addition to this, the US began as a little horn indeed, namely, tiny colonies in Massachusetts and Virginia; although other candidates have done this as well -- Italy, for instance, whose royal line originally ruled only in Savoy.</p><p></p><p>I'm frankly not enamored with the idea of Israel signing peace treaties with anyone -- especially with the Muslims, who consider such things as merely <em>"hudnas"</em>, to be broken as soon as they become powerful enough. I look forward to the sort of peace that is brokered by an undeniable demonstration of God's eternal presence and power -- even if that peace, because of our inclination to wickedness, will only last 1,000 years. That will be enough time for the earth to heal itself from the many wounds we have inflicted on it; and after that, our rather tiresome task on this planet will be over.</p><p></p><p>Shalom shalom <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/wave.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wave:" title="wave :wave:" data-shortname=":wave:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BlandOatmeal, post: 62444675, member: 137411"] You're ever the "optimist", Supreme. In practical terms, all Israel's enemies need to do is what Egypt and Jordan did: cease all belligerence, and recognize the Jewish state of Israel. Both terrorist leadership groups in the Arab Palestinian areas (Fatah and HAMAS) steadfastly refuse to do so; and even if they decided to, it would take decades to undo the hatred the PA educational system has instilled into its children for decades. I rate the chances of peace with those two as zero or less. By the way, I strayed in my "mapping", to note how much Europe looked like a many-headed dragon. If I based my predictions on things like these, I would be in the same class as Interpreter, with his star charts and horses. Just to check my sanity, I looked up Draco ("the Dragon") in the star maps. It's this: [CENTER][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/ConstellationDraco.djvu/page1-480px-ConstellationDraco.djvu.jpg[/IMG] Image source: [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/ConstellationDraco.djvu/page1-480px-ConstellationDraco.djvu.jpg[/url] [/CENTER] Without the lines to guide me, I would never connect the dots to come up with a dragon; yet the ancient astrologers seemed certain that's what they saw. The same would hold for maps and horses. When I do make predictions, it is based on comparing scriptures with one another. On big bone of contention between Interpreter and me, is the role of the USA in the end times. I consider it to be the great, awesome power of the end times that no nation on earth dared to challenge in open combat. There is, and never has been since Roman times, a country with such absolute power as the US. The British Empire was challenged twice by Germany, and before that, by France. Before them, the Spanish were challenged by the French, etc. The US was challenged by the USSR, but always through surrogates; and in the end, it capitulated. Another reason for believing the US would be among the nations that, in the end of the age, attacked Israel, is that Zech. 14 says ALL the nations would fight against Israel. The US, of course, is part of ALL nations; and since we haven't attacked Israel so far, our participation in this passage of scripture is in the future. The most convincing proof, to me, of America's "villain" role, is the "little horn" prophecy of Daniel: Dan 7 [[B]7[/B]] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. [[B]8[/B]] I considered the horns, and, behold, [COLOR=Red][B]there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots[/B][/COLOR]: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. [[B]9[/B]] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. [[B]10[/B]] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Many other "little horns" have been proposed, none convincingly. Interpreter sees this horn as Hitler; but there are several obvious objections to this: First of all, Hitler died, and his death did not issue in the Messianic Millenium. Secondly, he never attacked Israel. Thirdly, he conquered many nations, but did not pluck any of them up by the roots: They all survived and returned to non-Nazi governments. Most, in fact, were never completely conquered: Central Africa remained loyal to the Free French; Belgian Congo remained loyal to King Leopold; the Dutch continued to rule in Suriname, the Danes (nominally) in Iceland and Greenland. Poland and Greece were decisively conquered, but continued as governments-in-exile. When the US and its allies conquered Germany, Italy and Japan, however, they deposed the leaders (except for Hirohito, who, even worse than being deposed, was forced to renounce his divinity), dissolved the governments, dismantled the ruling parties, and, after ruling them directly, have dealt with them to this day as puppet governments. So much for "plucking". In addition to this, the US began as a little horn indeed, namely, tiny colonies in Massachusetts and Virginia; although other candidates have done this as well -- Italy, for instance, whose royal line originally ruled only in Savoy. I'm frankly not enamored with the idea of Israel signing peace treaties with anyone -- especially with the Muslims, who consider such things as merely [I]"hudnas"[/I], to be broken as soon as they become powerful enough. I look forward to the sort of peace that is brokered by an undeniable demonstration of God's eternal presence and power -- even if that peace, because of our inclination to wickedness, will only last 1,000 years. That will be enough time for the earth to heal itself from the many wounds we have inflicted on it; and after that, our rather tiresome task on this planet will be over. Shalom shalom :wave: [/QUOTE]
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