The vision of "progressive" Adventists

[Your Neighbor]

What role does a "progressive SDA" church have in 2008 that did not exist in the other churches prior to 1863? (This concerns the whole congregation/denomination, not you as an individual.)

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

There have always been Progressive Christians. The Adventist church was founded by those who could not accept what traditions had placed upon Christianity and they sought a better understanding. The problem comes when an organization begins to think of itself as the repository of truth instead of as seekers of truth.

 

[Your Neighbor]

There have always been Progressive Christians. The Adventist church was founded by those who could not accept what traditions had placed upon Christianity and they sought a better understanding. The problem comes when an organization begins to think of itself as the repository of truth instead of as seekers of truth.

And so, the role of a "progressive SDA" church is? (as compared to the role of a Seventh Day Baptist Church or a Church of God, Seventh Day? or any other sabbath-keeping church with no ties to the Seventh-day Adventist Church?)

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

A denomination is a tool for spreading the gospel. Every believer in Christ has the same mission which is to tell the good news about the love and forgiveness and acceptance of God. Denominations frequently lose the fact that they are but a tool of God, not His only tool, not His finest tool, just a tool for Christians to use in relating to other Christians and those in the world.

And sometimes tools need repaired.

 

[StormyOne]

or replaced....

 

[Your Neighbor]

Just what was wrong with "the tool" (the Church of God, Adventist) which tried to "repair" or "replace" the Seventh-day Adventist Church in the 19th century because of doctrines it had rejected, such as the IJ, 1844, the SOP? Were they 150 years ahead of some today?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

The more important question is what is wrong with the SDA church of today. I know that may be hard for you to comprehend since like most Traditional Adventist you begin with the assumption that your church has the truth and you are the remnant. But you have to leave behind the idea that your denomination is "the" tool rather then "a" tool. Of course if you can't do that there is the Traditional Adventist forum.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

The more important question is what is wrong with the SDA church of today. I know that may be hard for you to comprehend since like most Traditional Adventist you begin with the assumption that your church has the truth and you are the remnant. But you have to leave behind the idea that your denomination is "the" tool rather then "a" tool. Of course if you can't do that there is the Traditional Adventist forum.

Well spoken.
The more important question is what is wrong with the SDA church of today.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Well spoken.
The more important question is what is wrong with the SDA church of today.

For starters, they don't seem capable of immanentizing the Eschaton ... nor even truly aware of what bes necessary to do so, though many hints have been given in their very midst what bes the central matter here....

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

What role does a "progressive SDA" church have in 2008 that did not exist in the other churches prior to 1863? (This concerns the whole congregation/denomination, not you as an individual.)

Possibly -- IF they bes open to receive it and IF they bes spiritually attuned to the pillar of fire by night -- the algebra, geometry and trigonometry for which the addition, subtraction, multiplication, decimals, and fractions of the post-1863 SDA church prepared them to employ when the fulness of time had come?

Or perhaps running with the ball the SDA denomination collectively dropped in 1888 -- and that quite possibly because they asked much the same questions with very similar attitudes?

Just saying ...

 

[Mankin]

Progressive is as its name suggests. To Progress the Adventist church out of traditionalism and old doctrines. In some ways it places extra emphasis on present truth.

 

[Your Neighbor]

Progressive is as its name suggests. To Progress the Adventist church out of traditionalism and old doctrines. In some ways it places extra emphasis on present truth.

There was a group that tried to "progress" out of the SDA Church from "old doctrines" about 150 years ago. Are you a little late?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Really when you think of the attitude of Yourneighbor you can see that to him there is no such thing as progress apart from what he has accepted. Such were the kind of people who complained and fought against the Reformation. They have no concern for growth and progress only for what they have always accepted. They would point to the Protestant church and say it has failed because it tried to leave the Roman Catholic church yet the Roman Catholic church has maintained itself as an institution. They often don't even realize that the orgainization itself is changed by the reforms even of those who leave the organization.

To those people reality is never what is real but what they choose to see as real. And it is a good reminder of the delusional nature of certain people which forced this forum into existence, because it becomes a complete waste of time to talk to delusional people and at some point you have to move on.

 

[StormyOne]

well said RC

 

[Your Neighbor]

Really when you think of the attitude of Yourneighbor...

Since you brought up my attitude, let me ask you about yours.

How would you like it if illegal aliens slowly invaded your home that was built with the prayers, finances, blood, sweat, and tears of your forefathers and began eating your food, using your supplies, telling your children what to do or what not to do? Eventually, the illegal aliens got a bedroom for themselves. Took over the bathroom. Went next for the kitchen and eventually forced you out of the window of your master bedroom. Finally, they got the deed to your property. (Oh, and did I mention they kidnapped your children and forced them against you?)

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

There was a group that tried to "progress" out of the SDA Church from "old doctrines" about 150 years ago. Are you a little late?

Did you mean to say 120?

 

[Your Neighbor]

Did you mean to say 120?

No, I didn't.
http://cog7.org/introduction.htm
http://www.giveshare.org/churchhistory/historysdcog/history6.html

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

... And it is a good reminder of the delusional nature of certain people which forced this forum into existence, because it becomes a complete waste of time to talk to delusional people and at some point you have to move on.

Been thinking much the same itself .... so many interesting conversations going on and waiting to be had here with diverse people who share a common background element and shared language emerging from it but have so many colorful insights to share. It does not think we need to be bogged down here into having to justify our existence to those who will never be satisfied to even let us have one.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

No, I didn't.1863 was the year. http://cog7.org/introduction.htm

Oh, OK. You bes stuck on that split for some reason it seems. What did that particular split signify to you? What effects do you see it having or what importance does it have for you?

Moriah bes rather stuck on the 1888 thing if you want a reasonable facsimile of it paralleling.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Seriously we should make this our own subforum left-corner logo ....

Am picturing a streaming green-on-black character matrixy background with Neo stepping out of time to catch bullets here featured in the foreground and some sort of mathematically warped graph superimposed with reduced opacity on top ... grab a good matrix-flavoured font and scribble the names of our flavours there ... progressive ... moderate ... evangelical ... former ... floating around ... yeah .... where bes that Photoshop ... lol