the virus

[dogs4thewin]

Does anyone know how they are defining a mild case? As of have noted that the vast majority of cases are considered mild and yet the hospitals are overwhamed?

 

[Ophiolite]

Does anyone know how they are defining a mild case? As of have noted that the vast majority of cases are considered mild and yet the hospitals are overwhamed?

Hospitals are at close to capacity under "normal" circumstances. It therefore requires only a small number of additional cases to overwhelm the resources.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

It feels like a lot of people go to the hospital/doctor when they get a sniffle. Perhaps so they can get a work excuse or whatever. That normal behavior may be amplified in the wake of this virus. So, even though the people going to the emergency room or doctor may not have life-threatening symptoms they may be treated as such because of whats going on.

I personally have to be on my literal death bed in order to go to the doctor. Drink lots of fluids and rest is how I manage when I'm ill, which is rare for me anyway.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Hospitals are at close to capacity under "normal" circumstances. It therefore requires only a small number of additional cases to overwhelm the resources.

what number is small? 1,000 10,000?

 

[solid_core]

It seems that the postpandemic economy will be much worse problem than health issues or mortality rate for the virus. Right now, economists say that the crisis will be worse than the one in 2008.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It feels like a lot of people go to the hospital/doctor when they get a sniffle. Perhaps so they can get a work excuse or whatever. That normal behavior may be amplified in the wake of this virus. So, even though the people going to the emergency room or doctor may not have life-threatening symptoms they may be treated as such because of whats going on.

I personally have to be on my literal death bed in order to go to the doctor. Drink lots of fluids and rest is how I manage when I'm ill, which is rare for me anyway.

But I would think that people with mild symptoms could be sent home; thus not taking up a hospital bed.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Does anyone know how they are defining a mild case? As of have noted that the vast majority of cases are considered mild and yet the hospitals are overwhamed?

Here is a video that explains it perfectly.

 

[Ophiolite]

what number is small? 1,000 10,000?

I am not an expert in hostpital resource management. Please note that the issue is not total resources, but intensive care resources. In the UK I understand these typically run at very close to capacity. In such an instance perhaps ten severe cases in the catchment area for a hospital could overwhelm those resources.

 

[Ophiolite]

But I would think that people with mild symptoms could be sent home; thus not taking up a hospital bed.

People with mild symptoms won't be anywhere near a hospital. Plus see my prior post re-ICU beds versus total beds.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Here is a video that explains it perfectly.

So basically 20% are serious, but what I am asking is how do they define that? If someone tests positive how do they decide who is in the hospital and who is sent home? Is it based on the virus or the possiability it could be serious, so if I come in the hospital test positive and do not appear to be serious, but DO have underlying health concerns will I be hospitalized or only those who clealy are already serious.

 

[dogs4thewin]

People with mild symptoms won't be anywhere near a hospital. Plus see my prior post re-ICU beds versus total beds.

In fact people with mild cases may not even know it which why it is important for everyone to avoid going out.

 

[solid_core]

Germany: 8,500 cases, 23 deaths
vs.
USA: 5,200 cases, 94 deaths
UK: 2,000 cases, 56 deaths

Something wrong with health care system in USA/UK?

Or is Germany exceptionally good in something?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Germany: 8,500 cases, 23 deaths
vs.
USA: 5,200 cases, 94 deaths
UK: 2,000 cases, 56 deaths

Something wrong with health care system in USA/UK?

Keep in mind though that at least 20 of those deaths were in one nursing home and most if not all of the rest were among people either older and/or underlying health problems.

 

[Desk trauma]

Germany: 8,500 cases, 23 deaths
vs.
USA: 5,200 cases, 94 deaths
UK: 2,000 cases, 56 deaths

Something wrong with health care system in USA/UK?

Or is Germany exceptionally good in something?

The lack of tests in the US/Uk and only testing when serious symptoms present themselves is skewing the numbers.

 

[solid_core]

Keep in mind though that at least 20 of those deaths were in one nursing home and most if not all of the rest were among people either older and/or underlying health problems.

Still the question "why" remains. The UK rate is even much worse.

 

[Ophiolite]

In fact people with mild cases may not even know it which why it is important for everyone to avoid going out.

So, really! Since you knew that, how on Earth did you come up with the nonsensical idea that people with mild symptoms would be taking up hospital beds.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Does anyone know how they are defining a mild case? As of have noted that the vast majority of cases are considered mild and yet the hospitals are overwhamed?

I think this is a problem. I'm not sure what a mild case seems to be. (and is there anything between mild and severe?) Knowing will help avoid congestion at the hospitals and clinics (and reduce the number of contacts medical personnel have with the sick) and keep some of the contagious at home.

The only thing that seems clear from individual reports of sickened people is about who is not hospitalized. They have fevers (but not dangerously high ones), heavy cough, aches, and severe exhaustion. These frankly sound like what I would characterize as fairly severe, but not dangerous, symptoms when I've had a cold or other virus in the past.

The range of responses and frequency of them is not very clear at the moment. That's part of the problem with a novel illness.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So, really! Since you knew that, how on Earth did you come up with the nonsensical idea that people with mild symptoms would be taking up hospital beds.

Look at one of my above posts though. In other words is it possibile that some "moderate" cases will be in the hospital? Those people may need the hospital, but not ICU.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Still the question "why" remains. The UK rate is even much worse.

Why what? Why people with less ability to fight things like this off are dying?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

So basically 20% are serious, but what I am asking is how do they define that? If someone tests positive how do they decide who is in the hospital and who is sent home? Is it based on the virus or the possiability it could be serious, so if I come in the hospital test positive and do not appear to be serious, but DO have underlying health concerns will I be hospitalized or only those who clealy are already serious.

People who have sever symptoms, basically cant breath are hospitalized.