The very worst people in the world

[Bluelion]

What I asked was pretty straight forward. Why don't you think your statement applies to you?

Because i am not a wolf in sheep clothing. I have accepted Jesus I have him in my heart in-spite of what people think. I do not follow Him to gain praise from people, i do not preacher his to word to make my self seem righteous. I do not do it for other people at all. Not for the honored seat and any power that might be gained. i do it for God alone, Because He loves me and has never left me even now that I think about going back to my old ways and not putting up with peoples crap.

I did not answer His call to gain anything, My life is far easier and I had much more money and power in the world not following Him, when i run from Him things go easy for me, Why on earth would i ever give up what I had or could have to go into ministry? easy God, i had no choice God said your doing this, enough. And i have been His for a very long time in spite of everything I have done. Sense i have announced i was a Christian and answer the call, sense I dare speak about God . I have been mocked, called every name in the book even implied I was satan, I have been mocked, insulted, and abused, taken advantage of, rejected and dishonored.

You see i have gained nothing in this world by following God, except God, so I have every thing, but everything I have is in and from God.

so to answer your question what makes me different God.

 

[Hammster]

Because i am not a wolf in sheep clothing. I have accepted Jesus I have him in my heart in-spite of what people think. I do not follow Him to gain praise from people, i do not preacher his to word to make my self seem righteous. I do not do it for other people at all. Not for the honored seat and any power that might be gained. i do it for God alone, Because He loves me and has never left me even now that I think about going back to my old ways and not putting up with peoples crap.

I did not answer His call to gain anything, My life is far easier and I had much more money and power in the world not following Him, when i run from Him things go easy for me, Why on earth would i ever give up what I had or could have to go into ministry? easy God, i had no choice God said your doing this, enough. And i have been His for a very long time in spite of everything I have done. Sense i have announced i was a Christian and answer the call, sense I dare speak about God . I have been mocked, called every name in the book even implied I was satan, I have been mocked, insulted, and abused, taken advantage of, rejected and dishonored.

You see i have gained nothing in this world by following God, except God, so I have every thing, but everything I have is in and from God.

so to answer your question what makes me different God.

So you believe you're a Christian. You also said the people in the OP believe they are Christians, yet you seem to condemn them for thinking so.

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

Are you suggesting I was expressing surprise? You can tell that by words on a page with out any descriptive words about how I felt about the whole thing. You must be a truly Gift to people able to tell people what they feel. I was not surprised when i wrote this nor did i try to convey surprise. I find you comments judgmental and false.

But while I was not surprised when i wrote this nor trying to convey that, but when I family member I had grown up with and who had dragged me to church, when I found out she did not know the Bible after over 30 years in church, and that she was a wolf going to church only for people to say she was a good person. At that moment a long time ago yes i was indeed surprised.

I don't think anyone is surprised by wolves in the church I think they are surprised by who they turn out to be.

This is not a good thing for you to say. A lazy, contented christian is not the same as the wolves God was talking about.

Hebrews 5
New King James Version (NKJV)

Spiritual Immaturity
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Matthew 7:15-20
New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.


As you can see, these are two distinct groups, the first is not out for really anything but a nice easy ride to heaven, the other usually has other ulterior motives, I just want to help you understand and keep hold of family relationships, this person you say is the one who drug you to church, thus had a hand in leading you to your faith in Christ, return the favor, in a loving gentle way try to teach them.

 

[Bluelion]

This is not a good thing for you to say. A lazy, contented christian is not the same as the wolves God was talking about.

Hebrews 5
New King James Version (NKJV)

Spiritual Immaturity
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Matthew 7:15-20
New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.


As you can see, these are two distinct groups, the first is not out for really anything but a nice easy ride to heaven, the other usually has other ulterior motives, I just want to help you understand and keep hold of family relationships, this person you say is the one who drug you to church, thus had a hand in leading you to your faith in Christ, return the favor, in a loving gentle way try to teach them.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though I really don't care about being nice any more so I don't know why I am. You should ask questions before you comment on the judgement past on MY family member who I have not named and you know nothing about.

By the way i see spiritually what is going on here as well, remember when Jesus told Peter satan was speaking through Him. I would look at my self for a min.

So let me tell you about the person you just defended you say for the sake of family, your not the first, In fact now I am doing so well I have cut the relationship satan is trying hard to get me to start it up again.

This persons Loves to sow seeds of discord, she is happiest when people are fighting all around her, She completely destroyed my family, she destroyed my dad's relationship with his dad, and destroyed are relationship with everyone else. Now that is is out of most the families life it is starting to come back together. She had me and my brother arrest number of time went to court and bore false witness against us many time this happen. By Gods grace i have no record and was not imprison. She even wanted me brought up on attempted murder charges because she was mad at me, how ever all she had was lies, and the Judge refused such charges and through the case out of court with a warning to this family member about abusing the court. She has literally stolen everything i own twice and sold it, she also stole 10,000 buck from me. My brother has not spoken to her in 7 years, because she had us both arrest on false charges.

As a kid this person abused me with many beatings, and locked me up in a number of places to get rid of me. She us took me for drug testing almost every day of my teenage years. She wanted me test for so many things the doctor told her I can tell you right now he is not on that stuff because he would be dead. That is how ridiculous it was.

I moved far far away from this person, but I kept phone contact, every time I talk to this person she is abusive blaming me for everything in her life and says i am burden. She refers to me as a "little boy" even though I am 38 married with my own kids. i warned her a number of times if she did not stop trying to cause conflict between me and my wife and kids i would stop speaking to her. She attack God's calling of me telling me I would be awful in ministry, but then again she has attack everything I have ever done in my life saying i am awful or horrible at it.

I spoke to her about God and she argued that a person does not have to love Jesus to get to heaven they just must believe He is the son of God.

So yes after many years and i mean 37, i stop speaking to her this year, and my life has been so much better.

That is the person you Just defended as not a wolf. But your not the first satan wants me to speak to her because she destroys everything I have ever had in my life.

you want rethink judging some one you know nothing about.

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though I really don't care about being nice any more so I don't know why I am. You should ask questions before you comment on the judgement past on MY family member who I have not named and you know nothing about.

By the way i see spiritually what is going on here as well, remember when Jesus told Peter satan was speaking through Him. I would look at my self for a min.

So let me tell you about the person you just defended you say for the sake of family, your not the first, In fact now I am doing so well I have cut the relationship satan is trying hard to get me to start it up again.

This persons Loves to sow seeds of discord, she is happiest when people are fighting all around her, She completely destroyed my family, she destroyed my dad's relationship with his dad, and destroyed are relationship with everyone else. Now that is is out of most the families life it is starting to come back together. She had me and my brother arrest number of time went to court and bore false witness against us many time this happen. By Gods grace i have no record and was not imprison. She even wanted me brought up on attempted murder charges because she was mad at me, how ever all she had was lies, and the Judge refused such charges and through the case out of court with a warning to this family member about abusing the court. She has literally stolen everything i own twice and sold it, she also stole 10,000 buck from me. My brother has not spoken to her in 7 years, because she had us both arrest on false charges.

As a kid this person abused me with many beatings, and locked me up in a number of places to get rid of me. She us took me for drug testing almost every day of my teenage years. She wanted me test for so many things the doctor told her I can tell you right now he is not on that stuff because he would be dead. That is how ridiculous it was.

I moved far far away from this person, but I kept phone contact, every time I talk to this person she is abusive blaming me for everything in her life and says i am burden. She refers to me as a "little boy" even though I am 38 married with my own kids. i warned her a number of times if she did not stop trying to cause conflict between me and my wife and kids i would stop speaking to her. She attack God's calling of me telling me I would be awful in ministry, but then again she has attack everything I have ever done in my life saying i am awful or horrible at it.

I spoke to her about God and she argued that a person does not have to love Jesus to get to heaven they just must believe He is the son of God.

So yes after many years and i mean 37, i stop speaking to her this year, and my life has been so much better.

That is the person you Just defended as not a wolf. But your not the first satan wants me to speak to her because she destroys everything I have ever had in my life.

you want rethink judging some one you know nothing about.

My friend I only had the little you shared, you just went off on the tangent of classifying people. I was not defending any particular person, just going by what you said, If this person is as you say you have made the right decision of cutting ties. My counseling still stands though. Do not let your anger cause you to sin, you must be nice and loving, as Jesus was, he even forgave those who crucified him. Forgive this relative, even if it is just in your heart, and to God, you do not need to rekindle a relationship, and from what you described, I would not, Satan will only use it to make you bitter. A man working in the ministry for the Lord can not afford to be bitter and angry, and come to the pulpit convinced half of his congregation is wolves in sheeps clothing. The way you addressed me here was the proper way, "I will give you the benefit of a doubt" You will need to do this with all you meet, and not change it till you are able to get to know them and see their fruit. Fruit judging is all we can do. I have been getting to know you a little bit as we have conversed, I started judging you wrongly at first, and for that I apologize. What I took for arrogance was not, it is but a zeal for God, with a hurt and bitter spirit. I can relate to this, as I have walked a similar path, and we are the same age. We children of the 70s were the end of an era, some ways better than now, some not. But that is a different storey. But from one brother from a similar path to another, never forget to forgive and forget, this is more for your benefit than for the one who wronged you. Satan would like nothing better than to destroy your ministry before it starts, and there is no way better, than by killing your zeal, and making your spirit bitter.

Love in Christ
your brother Josh

 

[98cwitr]

I bet a lot of folks didnt find Jesus too "nice" when He flipped over the tables in the temple. The Pharisees probably didnt appreciate the name calling (ie: "Brood of vipers & "children of satan"). Just sayin....

 

[Bluelion]

My friend I only had the little you shared, you just went off on the tangent of classifying people. I was not defending any particular person, just going by what you said, If this person is as you say you have made the right decision of cutting ties. My counseling still stands though. Do not let your anger cause you to sin, you must be nice and loving, as Jesus was, he even forgave those who crucified him. Forgive this relative, even if it is just in your heart, and to God, you do not need to rekindle a relationship, and from what you described, I would not, Satan will only use it to make you bitter. A man working in the ministry for the Lord can not afford to be bitter and angry, and come to the pulpit convinced half of his congregation is wolves in sheeps clothing. The way you addressed me here was the proper way, "I will give you the benefit of a doubt" You will need to do this with all you meet, and not change it till you are able to get to know them and see their fruit. Fruit judging is all we can do. I have been getting to know you a little bit as we have conversed, I started judging you wrongly at first, and for that I apologize. What I took for arrogance was not, it is but a zeal for God, with a hurt and bitter spirit. I can relate to this, as I have walked a similar path, and we are the same age. We children of the 70s were the end of an era, some ways better than now, some not. But that is a different storey. But from one brother from a similar path to another, never forget to forgive and forget, this is more for your benefit than for the one who wronged you. Satan would like nothing better than to destroy your ministry before it starts, and there is no way better, than by killing your zeal, and making your spirit bitter.

Love in Christ
your brother Josh

well thank you for that. Not to beat a debt horse but I think there is a lesson in there for you as well about not judging a person to fast, I do this as well, it is very easy to do.

Sense you are trying to understand me and me you. Let me share with i was involved in a lot of stuff with chasing false God's. I have studied many religions and this is all in my past. I was God at 6 but ran all my life. I have been trained in meditation and working with energies among other things, because of my back ground I am sensitive to energy and battle spirits daily. I work with a church here in deliverance ministry to get rid of demons in my life after doctors told me to seek a priest they could not explain what was happening. Now Like i said I have been God's sense 6 and Jesus has always been with me and I have seen him a number of times in different ways. My life is one big battle daily.

I think alot about my self not because I think i am great or anything, but because the enemy works so hard to stop everything I do. I figure i must be of some kind of important but I have no idea what and have never done anything great, so any ones guess.

And like you said my spirit is very hurt these days. but Bitter, no, angry.

Peace and Love
blu

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

you did something great brother, you gave yourself to God

And you are right, it is easy to judge to fast, then one ends up with sour fruit on their face :o

The Lord is still working on me

Love in Christ
your brother Josh

 

[Bluelion]

you did something great brother, you gave yourself to God

And you are right, it is easy to judge to fast, then one ends up with sour fruit on their face :o

The Lord is still working on me

Love in Christ
your brother Josh

He is still working on me to, and will be until the day i get my New body and stand in His presences.

 

[Dan61861]

I work with a church here in deliverance ministry to get rid of demons in my life after doctors told me to seek a priest they could not explain what was happening. Now Like i said I have been God's sense 6 and Jesus has always been with me and I have seen him a number of times in different ways. My life is one big battle daily.

I think alot about my self not because I think i am great or anything, but because the enemy works so hard to stop everything I do. I figure i must be of some kind of important but I have no idea what and have never done anything great, so any ones guess.

And like you said my spirit is very hurt these days. but Bitter, no, angry.

Peace and Love
blu

Blue, please don't be offended, it's truly the last thing I want to do. I must ask though, why are you teaching in the Baptist forum? The deliverance ministry is not part of Baptist theology. I do know and understand that ministry. I have three sisters and three brothers that are and were involved. My three sisters still are, they started back in the 70 s. All three are tortured, yet they go weekly to get delivered from thier demons.

Remember my friend, greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.

 

[Bluelion]

Blue, please don't be offended, it's truly the last thing I want to do. I must ask though, why are you teaching in the Baptist forum? The deliverance ministry is not part of Baptist theology. I do know and understand that ministry. I have three sisters and three brothers that are and were involved. My three sisters still are, they started back in the 70 s. All three are tortured, yet they go weekly to get delivered from thier demons.

Remember my friend, greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.

I am in a baptist college major in biblical and theology studies, and will be going on to get my master in divinity.

I find nothing wrong with deliverance ministry. For me its not a recurring thing. They made me understand I have authority in Christ over these spirits. They did not cast the demons out for me, but worked on my faith and showed me how to do it. So i cast them out with Jesus now, no need to go back I understand now.

The ministry i worked with stressed that a person who is saved Has authority in Jesus and they were Just there to show us what was in side us and that authority. I find the book bondage breaker to be a great book and very helpful.

I can not speak for other baptist, but I see nothing wrong with the ministry.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Bluelion. You talk about the very worst people in the world, and they are right amongst us. Let us think about some ideas, how to find them and treat them with so much Love, that they cannot possible resist to give themselves away. Let us follow the advice of our Saviour, and treat all we know and all we meet, treat them as we would love to be treated. Love is very strong and very catching, they either join us, or run away from Love: as Satan does.
It is no good just to accuse them, they will only deny their true roles. We have to kill them with love, to expose them, or watch them change their true character and FLEE FROM ALL LOVE AND COMPASSION.
Let us tell Jesus what we really believe and know, and ask Jesus to help us to expose them. Jesus will help us to expose our enemies, and will help us to truly Love and Obey. I say this with love, Bluelion. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Nord Christian]

I am in a baptist college major in biblical and theology studies, and will be going on to get my master in divinity.

I find nothing wrong with deliverance ministry. For me its not a recurring thing. They made me understand I have authority in Christ over these spirits. They did not cast the demons out for me, but worked on my faith and showed me how to do it. So i cast them out with Jesus now, no need to go back I understand now.

The ministry i worked with stressed that a person who is saved Has authority in Jesus and they were Just there to show us what was in side us and that authority. I find the book bondage breaker to be a great book and very helpful.

I can not speak for other baptist, but I see nothing wrong with the ministry.

Maybe you'll find this weird, I don't know. I get these stinging feelings in certain parts of my body, on a daily basis. I'd heard that this could have something to do with demonic attack.

I then call "In Dear Lord Jesus Christ's name, I say begone demons" in my head. I then can visualize the Lord striking them out of parts of my body through dark portals. Once this is done, I thank Lord Jesus, and amazingly the stinging feelings stop right then and there.

With no word of a lie, and some might call me crazy, this happens to me every day.

 

[Bluelion]

Maybe you'll find this weird, I don't know. I get these stinging feelings in certain parts of my body, on a daily basis. I'd heard that this could have something to do with demonic attack.

I then call "In Dear Lord Jesus Christ's name, I say begone demons" in my head. I then can visualize the Lord striking them out of parts of my body through dark portals. Once this is done, I thank Lord Jesus, and amazingly the stinging feelings stop right then and there.

With no word of a lie, and some might call me crazy, this happens to me every day.

I don't find anything weird

I know what you speak of I have it to. I will have really bad pains for no reason at all, many times when I am in intense prayer. I believe in is a demonic attack. Your doing the right thing.

A few things i could add, is you can bind these demons and silents them simply by say be bond and silents. Also Always tell them not to return and end it with Go back from which you came, this is what Jesus would say. You say this because just to cast them out can send them into other people or leave them in the room with you, always send them back to which they came, which most the time is the pit. If they don't Leave right away you can use Jesus name even if you don't have enough faith Jesus name has power and they must obey.

Last it could be that God has put this thorn in your side like He did with Paul. These attack could be there for a reason. You can still keep casting them out and I recommend it but this is why they may come back. I have a thorn in my side for the same reason Paul did, to keep me from becoming prideful.

Keep on doing what your doing

 

[Nord Christian]

I don't find anything weird

I know what you speak of I have it to. I will have really bad pains for no reason at all, many times when I am in intense prayer. I believe in is a demonic attack. Your doing the right thing.

A few things i could add, is you can bind these demons and silents them simply by say be bond and silents. Also Always tell them not to return and end it with Go back from which you came, this is what Jesus would say. You say this because just to cast them out can send them into other people or leave them in the room with you, always send them back to which they came, which most the time is the pit. If they don't Leave right away you can use Jesus name even if you don't have enough faith Jesus name has power and they must obey.

Last it could be that God has put this thorn in your side like He did with Paul. These attack could be there for a reason. You can still keep casting them out and I recommend it but this is why they may come back. I have a thorn in my side for the same reason Paul did, to keep me from becoming prideful.

Keep on doing what your doing

Thanks for you helpful information, Bluelion!

I'm pretty sure it had something to do with satan, and his other fallen ones.
My Dad didn't disagree, but thought maybe it could be something physical, and that if it got worse, I should see a doctor.

I don't believe it is a physical ailment though, as these little stingy feelings I get, always go away after I cast the demonic beings out. However, it's only a matter of time before they do come back again. Maybe from giving in to sin?

I will try what you have informed me to do. Sorry to hear about the pains.
Does it immediately stop when you bound and silence, tell them to go from whence they came, or call on the Lord to cast them out?

 

[Bluelion]

Thanks for you helpful information, Bluelion!

I'm pretty sure it had something to do with satan, and his other fallen ones.
My Dad didn't disagree, but thought maybe it could be something physical, and that if it got worse, I should see a doctor.

I don't believe it is a physical ailment though, as these little stingy feelings I get, always go away after I cast the demonic beings out. However, it's only a matter of time before they do come back again. Maybe from giving in to sin?

I will try what you have informed me to do. Sorry to hear about the pains.
Does it immediately stop when you bound and silence, tell them to go from whence they came, or call on the Lord to cast them out?

The spirits I cast out are usually they are whispering in my head things against God or tempting me, they always go away yes. But the Pain is so bad usually I just cry out to God and God stops it, that is about all I can do really can't think when it comes.

If you pains go away from casting them out is a sign it is not medical, if it was they would remain. and many medical conditions are caused by demons.

 

[Nord Christian]

The spirits I cast out are usually they are whispering in my head things against God or tempting me, they always go away yes. But the Pain is so bad usually I just cry out to God and God stops it, that is about all I can do really can't think when it comes.

If you pains go away from casting them out is a sign it is not medical, if it was they would remain. and many medical conditions are caused by demons.

I don't remember having anything whispering in my head. I have had God's name in vain flashed in my mind, a good number of times, which prompts me to believe that it's satan. I then in Jesus' name, ask him to help me send him back to hell. Like in one of my posts above, I just mentally say " in Lord Jesus name, I say begone satan! Then visualize the Lord hitting him with a lightning bolt, sending him flying into a dark portal.

Oh yes! I believe a lot of physical diseases are caused by Satan and his demonic realm. Some might say I'm crazy for thinking they are also responsible for mental illness like schizophrenia. I'd known people who were schizophrenic, and it seemed pretty obvious to me that satan or his demons could be responsible for putting voices in their heads.

Of course, man's medical people with their logic would think I'm wrong. Of course the majority of them are atheistic anyway.

 

[USCGrad90]

Every church has at least one person who is more wicked than the worst pagan. Something to think about the next time a person says I am a Christian.

This statement has drawn a lot of comments, but I think I may understand some of your intent.

First, I think only God could apply judgement on which persons are more wicked than others. SO - I don't think it's fair to say that "every" church has at least one person like this. None of us could determine that.

There are people in church for the wrong reasons or mislead others in their Spiritual walk who essentially may be no better than the worst pagan.

I myself realize that I am not worthy of what Christ sacrificed and am thankful for the grace and compassion God has shown to me. I try not to compare myself or actions to others - but in all honesty - sometimes I do. I think it's part of our human nature in some way - to try to make ourselves feel better about who we are and what we do.

We all must be careful not to exalt ourselves as better than other men.