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The very very beginning

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Creationist: God is eternal and always existed. He is neither born nor dies.

Evolutionist: First there was nothing, then it exploded.

Does it make sense for something to come out of nothing? Isn't that more like a cheap magic trick? Yet with God we wonder where did he come from. I will here reveal the secret to you and it will probably blow your mind.

In the very very beginning there was one thing in nature that was capable of creating itself. The Paradox. For the paradox, whether it is real or not is just another paradox. There are two absolutes, 0 and infinity. Nothing, and everything. Both are inherently true at all times. Nothing, when defined, becomes something. Something, undefined, becomes nothing.

The material world begins as nothing, the spirit world begins as something. Then they trade places, or rather the spirit world remains invisible. Existence and non-existence are merely two sides of the same coin. In this world there is time and change. In that world there is no time, it is eternal.

Creator and Creation are also two sides of the same coin. Both should be content to be where they are and love each other. However, creation wanted to become creator, via the fruits of knowledge of good and evil and become gods. This of course meant crossing the gulf that is fixed between them, aka death. Moreover, you cannot improve upon perfection. To want more is to transmute it into imperfection. The creator responds to this situation be likewise becoming a creation, that of the messiah.

Think of reality like a movie existing on a hard drive. Every possibility that can exist already exist, including every multiple and parallel universe. The observation occurs when we watch it, play it, participate in it. We wonder where everything came from, but to God the future has already been written just as the past. From 0 to Infinity, every possibility that can exist must exist and will exist. We are merely experiencing the journey.

The paradox goes even deeper then this. The one is literally within the other and the other is also inside the one. The universe is within us and we are within the universe. The kingdom of heaven is within us and the kingdom of heaven is at hand. What we see is actually occurring inside the eye, within the mind. The dream is within the dream. The observer is within the observed, and the observed is within the observer. This is the real reason the result is influenced by the measurement.

Mankind is simply not accustomed to thinking in parallels, but everything we experience in life comes in pairs. Only a journey with no destination can become a neverending story. Where we are going is the same as where we came from: nonexistence. Why then do we want to go there? The serpent coils up into a circle and eats it's own tail. Such is the result of wisdom. In God's new earth dust shall be the serpents meat. For dust thou art and to dust thou shalt return. The days of man shall be as a tree. This is NOT everlasting life, it's merely life for 1000 years. Nevertheless, it is blessed timespan for living on the physical plane. It was also Adam's timespan. Why it was reduced must be due to sin.

"When you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, then shall ye enter the kingdom of Heaven." -From the gospel of Thomas.

"On earth light creates shadows, in space shadows create light." -Phaedron
 

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Think of reality like a movie existing on a hard drive. Every possibility that can exist already exist, including every multiple and parallel universe. The observation occurs when we watch it, play it, participate in it. We wonder where everything came from, but to God the future has already been written just as the past. From 0 to Infinity, every possibility that can exist must exist and will exist. We are merely experiencing the journey.

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Creationist: God is eternal and always existed. He is neither born nor dies.

Evolutionist: First there was nothing, then it exploded.
That is wrong on so many levels.
First, evolutionist does not = atheist. All evolutionists here are theists.

Second, Big Bang does not say "it exploded". That is an analogy to help people understand.

Third, the theory is that there was no space, no time, no matter, no energy. Then all of these appeared in an infinitely hot, infinintely small volume of spacetime. The universe has been expanding ever since.

Nothing there contradicts that God is eternal and has always existed. Instead, for theistic evolutionists, Big Bang is how God created the universe.

Does it make sense for something to come out of nothing?
Yes. After all, Genesis 1 says a lot of things came out of nothing.

Nothing, when defined, becomes something. Something, undefined, becomes nothing.
Nonsense. This denies an objective reality and makes reality dependent on human definitions. Your argument sounds like one atheists often use: since we can't give a precise definition of God, then God doesn't exist.

Creator and Creation are also two sides of the same coin.
Not in Christian theology. God the Creator is separate from Creation. See Genesis 1. Yes, God became flesh in Jesus, but that is not becoming Creation.

Every possibility that can exist already exist, including every multiple and parallel universe.
Again, contrary to Christian theology. Christian theology talks about God creating a universe, not multiple ones. Nor does it talk about "every possibility". Christian theology has our actions and choices having real consequences. But that becomes nonsense if every possibility exists. What point in taking Christ as your Savior if another you in another universe does not? You in this universe are saved but you in another universe are not. Which is "real"? Neither? Both?

The one is literally within the other and the other is also inside the one. The universe is within us and we are within the universe. The kingdom of heaven is within us and the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
The Kingdom of Heaven is not the same thing as the universe. We are in the universe, but it is absurd to say the universe is in us, unless you deify the universe. But if you do that, you aren't in Christianity any longer (and can't post in this forum because of it).

Mankind is simply not accustomed to thinking in parallels, but everything we experience in life comes in pairs.
LOL! No it doesn't! My parents experienced only one marriage. So have I. I have experienced many more than two communions.

"When you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, then shall ye enter the kingdom of Heaven." -From the gospel of Thomas.
And there you have one of the reasons the gospel of Thomas was not included in the canon!
 
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Dude, the little of your post that is understandable is pure Gnostic heresy. You need to stop reading the Gospel of Thomas until you actually understand the Bible.
I don't think it "pure" Gnosticism. There seems to be quite a bit of pantheism mixed in there as well.
 
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