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Since I was a little kid science and science fiction fascinated me. As kid I had less of a hard time distinguishing the two than the scientific community appears to have today. I watched an episode of The Universe this evening, or I tried to. I had to turn it off once the sermon they preached became redundant.

Multiverses was the topic of the sermon. And my talking back to the television got so loud, my darling wife left the room. Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty (which plays a key role in uniqueness and individuality) destroys the theory that there could be multiple type one universes (duplicates of ours).

It is a fact of science that there are spatial dimensions "beyond" the three we can perceive. Quantum physics. Very complex very boring. But proven fact. And it is all in one and the same universe. In fact the reason these "scientists" are grasping after straws like multiverses is to try to do an end run around the evidence in quantum physics experiments which prove intelligent design to the universe (therefore an intelligent Creator created it).

Yes...

It's still about disproving the existence of God with those "scientists."

They went on and on about things no one has seen which have no effects on anything yet they speculate it is this big and that far away and so on...

"Then they have left the realm of science and are into science fiction if not blind faith religion." I said.

Dear wife said, "How so?" This was before she had enough and left.

"I can prove God exists. The law of conservation (1st law of thermodynamics) from nothing nothing comes... and the 2nd law thermodynamics (entropy) indicates the universe is not eternal. Two laws (not theories, laws) prove the universe should not even exist. But it's here. Proving that some one or some thing greater than the universe andthe laws of astro physics created the univere from nothing."

"These guys," I continued, "tried to do an end run around the existence of God with evolution. When that petered out, they stared inventing scientific fairy tales like multiverses. It makes for great entertainment in science fiction but it is not science."
 
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Since I was a little kid science and science fiction fascinated me. As kid I had less of a hard time distinguishing the two than the scientific community appears to have today. I watched an episode of The Universe this evening, or I tried to. I had to turn it off once the sermon they preached became redundant.

Multiverses was the topic of the sermon. And my talking back to the television got so loud, my darling wife left the room. Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty (which plays a key role in uniqueness and individuality) destroys the theory that there could be multiple type one universes (duplicates of ours).

It is a fact of science that there are spatial dimensions "beyond" the three we can perceive. Quantum physics. Very complex very boring. But proven fact. And it is all in one and the same universe. In fact the reason these "scientists" are grasping after straws like multiverses is to try to do an end run around the evidence in quantum physics experiments which prove intelligent design to the universe (therefore an intelligent Creator created it).

Yes...

It's still about disproving the existence of God with those "scientists."

They went on and on about things no one has seen which have no effects on anything yet they speculate it is this big and that far away and so on...

"Then they have left the realm of science and are into science fiction if not blind faith religion." I said.

Dear wife said, "How so?" This was before she had enough and left.

"I can prove God exists. The law of conservation (1st law of thermodynamics) from nothing nothing comes... and the 2nd law thermodynamics (entropy) indicates the universe is not eternal. Two laws (not theories, laws) prove the universe should not even exist. But it's here. Proving that some one or some thing greater than the universe andthe laws of astro physics created the univere from nothing."

"These guys," I continued, "tried to do an end run around the existence of God with evolution. When that petered out, they stared inventing scientific fairy tales like multiverses. It makes for great entertainment in science fiction but it is not science."


Interesting argument.

On science shows and such, I watch them from time to time, or study the various fields, but there is obviously a lot of nonsense there.

I just tune it out. One can hardly even watch any nature show at all without some unproven, silly doctrine being thrown in our faces.

But, such is the nature of unsaved man -- and unbelieving man.


Many, unfortunately, fall into these errors. Science is a sound system, but like with religion many claim empirical evidence on faulty standards. So, they end up with a bunch of nonsense they claim is 'proven' which is not proven at all.
 
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