The Universe

[Nottingham40]

If the Universe is all that their is and its expanding, what is it expanding into.

 

[spankyou]

well... I think it's expanding into more possibilitites... and possibilities are endless.. we will never know.. only assumed

 

[The Nihilist]

nonsense question

 

[AuraTwilight]

It's not expanding "into" anything.

 

[Nottingham40]

nonsense question

Retort =Failed for lack of information.

The question actually makes sense and is valid. Let me express it this way.

The Universe is the 'If' or the physical tanget that is the basis of the physical aspect of Creation.

As a physical thing it by definition has to have a boundry. If their is then a boundry, what is outside that boundry?

If it is expanding, that it has to be expanding into something, even if that thing is the lack of thing. Which brings the obvious question, where is the limit of the thing it is expanding into.

 

[The Nihilist]

Retort =Failed for lack of information.
The question actually makes sense and is valid. Let me express it this way.
The Universe is the 'If' or the physical tanget that is the basis of the physical aspect of Creation.
As a physical thing it by definition has to have a boundry. If their is then a boundry, what is outside that boundry?
If it is expanding, that it has to be expanding into something, even if that thing is the lack of thing. Which brings the obvious question, where is the limit of the thing it is expanding into.

It's not so much a retort as a complete dismissal.
Your concepts are grossly cluttered and the question cannot be answered until the rest of this is muddled through.
I think the least involved way of addressing your question is to say that you seek a basis for the basis of the physical aspect of creation. That will not help, because I think then you will ask what is the basis of that basis. Well, my good man, that all rests on another turtle swimming in an even bigger ocean, and that rests on another turtle in an even bigger ocean, and so on and so forth all the way down.

 

[AuraTwilight]

This all of course completely disregards the possibility that the universe loops around, like in some cosmological models.

 

[Nottingham40]

It's not so much a retort as a complete dismissal.
Your concepts are grossly cluttered and the question cannot be answered until the rest of this is muddled through.
I think the least involved way of addressing your question is to say that you seek a basis for the basis of the physical aspect of creation. That will not help, because I think then you will ask what is the basis of that basis. Well, my good man, that all rests on another turtle swimming in an even bigger ocean, and that rests on another turtle in an even bigger ocean, and so on and so forth all the way down.

This is exactly what I have come to expect from humans, very smart, but when someone asks a lateral question they freak out and attack the person not the question.

I assume you are talking about the infinate regression hypothesis. Which has, I believe been logically disproven and actually even if it is proven, allows that the universe(s) is infinate, supporting an extra-physical creation hypothesis.

And yes I would ask for the basis of the basis, as conceptually everything has to come from a some-thing.

 

[The Nihilist]

And yes I would ask for the basis of the basis, as conceptually everything has to come from a some-thing.

Would you then like a basis of the basis of the basis? Turtles all the way down, dude.

 

[us38]

If the Universe is all that their is and its expanding, what is it expanding into.

Nothing. Or a 'brane of some sort. Kind of hard to tell.

 

[redmartian89]

The universe, as far as we know, has nothing to expand "into".

What would hold it back, other then gravity? A wall of some kind?

 

[ArchaicTruth]

Well, I'm not sure on how legitimate or possible this is, but perhaps infinite could have boundaries. Like if you hold a sphere in your hand, and that sphere contains within it an infinite amount of space, yet you are outside infinite. If you go inside the sphere, no means of physical motor skills (like walking, or riding in a car) could take you out of the sphere, yet there is a place outside the infinite space of the circle.

 

[redmartian89]

Infinity, by its true definition- not limited, means boundlessness.

Infinity:

1 a : the quality of being infinite b : unlimited extent of time, space, or quantity : BOUNDLESSNESS
2 : an indefinitely great number or amount <an infinity of stars>

If there is a physical area outside the universe, by logical definition, cannot be infinite.

There is no evidence for a non-physical, or spiritual, area inside or outside the universe.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

but it has no real boundaries, because if you are inside it, then you can travel it forever and never reach the end that doesn't exist

That doesn't mean something doesn't exist outside it

 

[Nottingham40]

Would you then like a basis of the basis of the basis? Turtles all the way down, dude.

Thats just sad. 15 year olds are addressing this subject in a more adult manner then you seem to be.

 

[redmartian89]

but it has no real boundaries, because if you are inside it, then you can travel it forever and never reach the end that doesn't exist

For all practical purposes, this is the only reality we have to worry about.

There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of any supernatural powers in our natural reality (our 5 senses).

ANY supernatural powers. That includes your god, Apollo, Pan, Thor, or even the deliberately mock gods FSM and IPU.

That doesn't mean something doesn't exist outside it

How could you prove it logically?

 

[ArchaicTruth]

You really don't get it do you? Asking a question like that is silly, I can't prove it any more than I already have, and if you'll recall an earlier post, I said I'm not entirely sure how legitimate or possible it was. In turn, I could ask you to disprove it, and we'd keep on going till our deaths with no answer. Such things are merely speculation, possibilities, and to deny something solely because it does not agree with what you have decided is true is narrow minded and ignorant, so please, think about such questions before you ask them.

 

[redmartian89]

Burden of proof is ALWAYS on the claimant's side.

I'm not closed-minded, dude. I simply ask that if you make a claim, back it up.

If you can show reasonable proof of something, I'll consider recanting. But only then.

This fantasy world speculation of alternate dimensions is just that: speculation.

Astronomy needs much more work, that's for certain.

 

[Rawben]

what do u guys want to do

send a space probe through the ENTIRE universe

ahh ya

that makes sense

quick

change the 5th grade science books

 

[R3quiem]

The universe is expanding because the actual SPACE itself is expanding. It's also been shown to be expanding at a faster rate than light travels, but it doesn't break Einstein's law that nothing travels faster than light.

Most scientists/researches think that if the universe keeps expanding, the end result will be a "heat death". That is, eventually the matter in the universe will get so stretched out, and the atoms themselves will get so stretched out that they will all rip apart and the universe will end.

It could all be wrong, but that's the general scientific understanding currently.