The unfulfilled promise to Abraham.

[thereselittleflower]

You continue to deny everything, in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

You have yet to present any valid evidence to the contrary . . . . .


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[LamorakDesGalis]

Yes many will repent and return to Him.. This is why in Revelations we see what they say. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. This will be at His glorious return..

Romans 11:25-32
25 For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: A partial hardening has happened to Israel until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins." 28 In regard to the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but in regard to election they are dearly loved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. 30 Just as you [Gentiles] were formerly disobedient to God, but have now received mercy due to their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that, by the mercy shown to you, they too may now receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all people to disobedience so that he may show mercy to them all.

LDG

 

[Micah68]

From my understanding the Book of Joshua makes clear that the covenant promise was indeed regarded as having been fulfilled in that generation.

So Joshua took the entire land, just as the LORD had directed Moses, and he gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions. Then the land had rest from war. (Joshua 11,23)
So the LORD gave Israel all the land he had sworn to give their forefathers, and they took possession of it and settled there. The LORD gave them rest on every side, just as he had sworn to their forefathers. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the LORD handed all their enemies over to them.Not one of all the Lord's good promises to the house of Israel failed; every one was fulfilled. (Joshua 21,43-45)

Likewise, Nehemiah, writing after the second exile, looked back to the first exile and could testify in praise to God for the fulfilment of the promises made to Abraham,

You gave them kingdoms and nations, allotting to them even the remotest frontiers... You made their sons as numerous as the stars in the sky, and you brought them into the land that you told their fathers to enter and possess. (Nehemiah 9,22-23)


Sorry dude I believe my Bible.

~Micah

 

[Biblewriter]

From my understanding the Book of Joshua makes clear that the covenant promise was indeed regarded as having been fulfilled in that generation.

So Joshua took the entire land, just as the LORD had directed Moses, and he gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions. Then the land had rest from war. (Joshua 11,23)
So the LORD gave Israel all the land he had sworn to give their forefathers, and they took possession of it and settled there. The LORD gave them rest on every side, just as he had sworn to their forefathers. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the LORD handed all their enemies over to them.Not one of all the Lord's good promises to the house of Israel failed; every one was fulfilled. (Joshua 21,43-45)

Likewise, Nehemiah, writing after the second exile, looked back to the first exile and could testify in praise to God for the fulfilment of the promises made to Abraham,

You gave them kingdoms and nations, allotting to them even the remotest frontiers... You made their sons as numerous as the stars in the sky, and you brought them into the land that you told their fathers to enter and possess. (Nehemiah 9,22-23)


Sorry dude I believe my Bible.

~Micah

The promise was indeed fulfilled in its inception. But forever is a long time. It cannot be fulfilled in its completion until forever is accomplished.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

From my understanding the Book of Joshua makes clear that the covenant promise was indeed regarded as having been fulfilled in that generation.

So Joshua took the entire land, just as the LORD had directed Moses, and he gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions. Then the land had rest from war. (Joshua 11,23)
So the LORD gave Israel all the land he had sworn to give their forefathers, and they took possession of it and settled there. The LORD gave them rest on every side, just as he had sworn to their forefathers. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the LORD handed all their enemies over to them.Not one of all the Lord's good promises to the house of Israel failed; every one was fulfilled. (Joshua 21,43-45)

Citing Joshua 21:43-45 as "fulfillment" of the land promises is a common charge, but it fails when one examines the larger context. Notice the future tense in Joshua's farewell speech in Joshua 23:4-5 -

4 Remember how I have allotted as an inheritance for your tribes all the land of the nations that remain-- the nations I conquered-- between the Jordan and the Great Sea in the west. 5 The LORD your God himself will drive them out of your way. He will push them out before you, and you will take possession of their land , as the LORD your God promised you.

So here was Joshua in his farewell speech, after all he had already accomplished, and Joshua himself did not believe everything was fulfilled. A future "will take possession of their land" clearly means the Israelites did not already have full possession of the land in Joshua 21. In fact, Judges 1:1-3:6 also shows that Israel was still trying to possess the land after Joshua died. So however one interprets Joshua 21, one cannot make it the absolute fulfillment of the land promise to Abraham.

Likewise, Nehemiah, writing after the second exile, looked back to the first exile and could testify in praise to God for the fulfilment of the promises made to Abraham,

You gave them kingdoms and nations, allotting to them even the remotest frontiers... You made their sons as numerous as the stars in the sky, and you brought them into the land that you told their fathers to enter and possess. (Nehemiah 9,22-23)

The land promises are for specific descendants of Abraham. So its a continuous promise intimately connected with the covenants. Its not a "one and done" type of deal. The land promises aren't applied to just one specific generation, regarded as "fulfilled" and then terminated. If so, then the Israelites had no covenant basis for being in the land anytime after such "fulfillment."

And if one examines the major convenants closely, one finds that the land promises are an integral part of the Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic and New Covenants.

Sorry dude I believe my Bible.

So do I.


LDG