The Ultimate Sacrifice

[PsychoSarah]

Would you sacrifice your own salvation to save two people whom you don't know? Note, no matter what, if you make this sacrifice, you would end up suffering in hell, your sacrifice will not personally give you anything good in return.

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

Would you sacrifice your own salvation to save two people whom you don't know? Note, no matter what, if you make this sacrifice, you would end up suffering in hell, your sacrifice will not personally give you anything good in return.

What do you mean "save" two people?

 

[Paradoxum]

I'm sorry, but if hell were real, I'd fear it immensely. I don't want to be tortured forever, I don't think I could give up that aversion for anything, since hell is pretty much the greater evil imaginable.

 

[Resha Caner]

I want to say yes, but I don't honestly think I can.

I'm not sure what underlying issue you're trying to get at, but even though Christ suffered hell in totality, the result was not the total hopelessness in your question.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Would you sacrifice your own salvation to save two people whom you don't know? Note, no matter what, if you make this sacrifice, you would end up suffering in hell, your sacrifice will not personally give you anything good in return.

No. I'm far too selfish for that...which ironically would probably have me hellbound anyway. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

 

[Resha Caner]

No. I'm far too selfish for that...which ironically would probably have me hellbound anyway. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

That's not the way I understand it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Literally I am stating that you can guarantee two souls will go to heaven that would have otherwise suffered for eternity if you take their place.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That's not the way I understand it.

Well maybe selfishness itself isn't a sin...but what comes of it sure is.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well maybe selfishness itself isn't a sin...but what comes of it sure is.

Not saying it is. I am giving the ultimate scenario of being selfless: sacrificing all that you have gained though your own efforts so that more people can enjoy them, even though as a result you will suffer.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not saying it is. I am giving the ultimate scenario of being selfless: sacrificing all that you have gained though your own efforts so that more people can enjoy them, even though as a result you will suffer.

It's still a no. It's really hard for me to care at all about total strangers. How about this one...would you trade your place in hell for one hundred strangers in heaven? Essentially, you'd leave hell and enter heaven...but a hundred people in heaven have to take your place in hell.

 

[daniel777]

Why did you put the last option in?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Would you sacrifice your own salvation to save two people whom you don't know? Note, no matter what, if you make this sacrifice, you would end up suffering in hell, your sacrifice will not personally give you anything good in return.

Too hypothetical. God's plan of redemption doesn't allow this choice by the individual.

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

Literally I am stating that you can guarantee two souls will go to heaven that would have otherwise suffered for eternity if you take their place.

That is not how it works, so the hypothetical really is moot.

 

[Resha Caner]

Well maybe selfishness itself isn't a sin...but what comes of it sure is.

What I meant was that sin can be forgiven, so the result need not be as you say. Further, though sin does refer to specific actions, it is really more a state of being.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What I meant was that sin can be forgiven, so the result need not be as you say. Further, though sin does refer to specific actions, it is really more a state of being.

Clearly though, I don't ask for forgiveness.

 

[Soul2Soul]

Would you sacrifice your own salvation to save two people whom you don't know? Note, no matter what, if you make this sacrifice, you would end up suffering in hell, your sacrifice will not personally give you anything good in return.

It would not really be possible to sacrifice one's own salvation in order for others to benefit from it ...... they would have to accept all the teachings etc associated with salvation for themselves so that they could be saved.

 

[Resha Caner]

Clearly though, I don't ask for forgiveness.

Why is that?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Why is that?

That's kind of a complicated question. The short answer is no one to ask and I don't really think I've done wrong.

 

[Resha Caner]

That's kind of a complicated question. The short answer is no one to ask and I don't really think I've done wrong.

Should I assume by "no one" that you mean God (i.e. that there is no god to ask)? I would hope you don't mean you've never felt the need to apologize to people either.

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

..I don't really think I've done wrong.

Bingo!