Proverbs speaks of Wisdom calling to the fool to trust Her.
John speaks about God continuing to be God.
Wisdom calling to God and God justifying Her, is not much of a stretch, from these two preceding verses.
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Where does the Bible say that, then?
Proverbs speaks of Wisdom calling to the fool to trust Her.
John speaks about God continuing to be God.
Wisdom calling to God and God justifying Her, is not much of a stretch, from these two preceding verses.
God doesn't "continue to be God" - He always was God and always will be. He is eternal.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Where does it say in the Bible that when God created the world he was invited to do so?
You have made this claim; you should be able to back it up.
There are lots of different doctrines, and denominations, because people look at the Bible and say "this must mean that ....", "this verse appears to say ...." or "that's not much of a stretch from that".
So, that's inviting!
In Heaven, choice is irrelevant. Saying to God "but you're God" will fall on deaf ears.
If you refuse to believe it, refuse on the basis of scripture - not that I am asking for the same scripture as you - but that you know for yourself where it is you stand: what scripture would it be?
It's not inviting GOD; God is not a fool.
I didn't say anything at all about choice.
God is God, always was God and always will be God; that's a fact.
I'm asking YOU for the Scripture verse, or passage, which says that God was invited to create the universe, which is what you claimed in your OP. You have not provided one.
You made some vague reference about wisdom asking the fool to trust her - no specific reference, just "in Proverbs". But unless you are calling God a fool, that does not cover it; and it's nothing to do with the world being created.
No, its a statement about what God call's attractive.
And if you just say "it's a fact", it will fall on deaf ears
Proverbs is a book of Wisdom, do you not think that there is significance to the fact that it begins with an assessment of two types of attraction?
And again, God is the Word, in John, a book about the Love of Christ - do you not think that it is significant that a book about the Love of God begins by saying He remained the same from the beginning?
All I did was put these concepts together.
But test the Holy Spirit, see if He reminds you of Proverbs, John or what I said?
I don't believe it is - but quote the verse you are referring to, and we'll see.
Whose deaf ears - yours?
It's a Scriptural teaching, Christians believe the Bible and this is a Christian forum.
Are you saying you don't believe it?
Significance of what?
I, and others, have asked you to prove, or at least back up, your statement that God was invited to create the world; talking, vaguely, about wisdom is not doing that.
You put 2 and 2 together and made 25, or 75.
Or, more likely, you put two different things together and made something completely different.
a) I'm not going to "test the Spirit".
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I did not respond to one specific scripture, but drew inspiration from all of it (as all scripture does).
I'm not talking vaguely about anything; I wrote a story, and when you asked for verification, I referred to where in scripture the characters of my story were vouched for.
That is where your boat ride, hits the shore - if you can't redress this, take the ride back?
You won't - and I suggest can't - find anything in Scripture which says that God was invited to create the world. So your "inspiration" has to come from somewhere else.
No, you didn't.
You made the statement that God was invited to create the world. When asked for Scriptural evidence you mentioned Proverbs and John's Gospel. That is a vague reference. Proverbs and John are long books; be more specific.
Not for the first time I haven't a clue what you mean by this.
If you're saying I should end the conversation, that's probably a good idea.
No one else seems inclined to argue with you on this, which suggests that they have heard your baseless ideas before. In fact, someone even said that they have discussed evolution with you before.
It seems you are obsessed with this idea.
God being invited to create, is a proverbial way of telling the story of Creation. It is a summary of a book, not a reference to a specific detail in one of them.
How am I supposed to find inspiration in the Word of God, if all that is expected is that I echo it, without inspiration?
I'm just saying "dude", if you can't test the Holy Spirit, you are expecting more of humanity, than is reasonable.
And don't call me "dude".
No, it isn't.
"Inviting" is a way of asking someone to do, or attend, something. "I am inviting you to my party", "You are invited to attend", "I've been invited to go".
Saying that God was invited to create the world means that someone said to God, "I'm inviting you to create the world" - which suggests that this other person/being could do it themselves but they wanted God to.
People have asked you, "WHO invited God?", and you can't give an answer.
As this is a Christian forum, we are all Christians and believe that the Bible is God's word, it's not unreasonable to ask for a reference to back up what you are saying.
If you HAD a reference you could easily say to us, "here, it says this in .... verse...", or there are three passages in the OT and one in the NT that teaches this.
You have no such reference, but only talk about "Proverbs" and "John" - which say no such thing. You then say "I don't need to go into specific detail."
You can't back up your claim; so be it.
I've no idea what that means; again, it is illogical.
The Holy Spirit inspires us to read God's word, helps us to understand it and applies it to our lives.
Again, that is illogical and doesn't make sense.
Ask me to test the Holy Spirit, I am completely coherent about what that means.
(I will pray for you, that you learn this?)
Debatable that creating the universe was at all wise.God found Wisdom inviting, Wisdom invited God.
That's the shortest story about the beginning that you will ever hear!
Debatable that creating the universe was at all wise.
Debatable that creating the universe was at all wise.
Written by a self-proclaimed "radical atheist" no less."In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
Written by a self-proclaimed "radical atheist" no less.
He's in aitch now.Still a funny quote though.
He's in aitch now.
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