The truth is, God was invited to create - who invited you to evolve?

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So yes, simple fact:

God was invited, to create

What can we learn from this?

Can we not make a simple parallel with Evolution? Who invited us to evolve?

If we are invited, we can understand the way in which we are invited, can we not? Also what is expected? Also how long it takes?

If I am being invited to evolve for millenia, that's a lot different than if I am being invited for centuries.

Without this crucial information, there is no way to evaluate what "Evolution" means.

God being invited means that we have a relationship with Him - that God desires to preserve that relationship, with Him.

In time, I hope this thought encourages us to master our understanding of Evolution, not just nod in ascent to the idea that it tells us everything we need to know, about everything.

Do you see, where I am going with this?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hi there,

So yes, simple fact:What can we learn from this?

Can we not make a simple parallel with Evolution? Who invited us to evolve?

If we are invited, we can understand the way in which we are invited, can we not? Also what is expected? Also how long it takes?

If I am being invited to evolve for millenia, that's a lot different than if I am being invited for centuries.

Without this crucial information, there is no way to evaluate what "Evolution" means.

God being invited means that we have a relationship with Him - that God desires to preserve that relationship, with Him.

In time, I hope this thought encourages us to master our understanding of Evolution, not just nod in ascent to the idea that it tells us everything we need to know, about everything.

Do you see, where I am going with this?

"God was invited, to create..."

Scriptural support for this please - the suggestion is that something existed with God before creation...

 

[Tanj]

Hi there,

So yes, simple fact:What can we learn from this?

Perhaps we could start by learning who invited God to create?

Do you see, where I am going with this?

That there's a power even greater than God that did the inviting?

 

[Gottservant]

"God was invited, to create..."

Scriptural support for this please - the suggestion is that something existed with God before creation...

In the beginning was the word. (John 1:1)

The word was not the word because it was the word, but was the word because it was heard.

I am suggesting that God wanted to be heard (and how can He want to be heard, unless there is someone to hear Him?)

He was with God in the beginning. (John 1:2)

God did not create a separate word, for the word, because the word was the word.

No one invited God to create a word for the word (because the word was the word, and all heard it).

"You will also witness of Me, for you were with Me, in the beginning" Jesus (John, from memory).

We were not speaking in the beginning, because we were listening to God - but that does not mean we were not there.

Put it this way "who remembers the word for the word?" - if we are invited to remember a word for the word, do we not simply remember the word? (And if we simply remember the word, what need has God of Creating anything else?)

 

[Gottservant]

Perhaps we could start by learning who invited God to create?

"Wisdom" had reason to ask; but the way in which Wisdom asked was "implied". Therefore because Wisdom was wise, God knew what was asked of Him and He created.

That there's a power even greater than God that did the inviting?

You are confusing meaning and power, because you have yet to understand giving glory to God?

If you gave glory to God, you would understand that that does not give you power "over" God, but meaning with God, who shares His glory with the faithful. Again, not in replacement of His Glory, but in greater humility - as Jesus was humble, that He was the "Son" not a substitute for the Glory of God.

We have still to hear who invited us to "evolve"? (If indeed they did!)

 

[Bungle_Bear]

"Wisdom" had reason to ask; but the way in which Wisdom asked was "implied". Therefore because Wisdom was wise, God knew what was asked of Him and He created.



You are confusing meaning and power, because you have yet to understand giving glory to God?

If you gave glory to God, you would understand that that does not give you power "over" God, but meaning with God, who shares His glory with the faithful. Again, not in replacement of His Glory, but in greater humility - as Jesus was humble, that He was the "Son" not a substitute for the Glory of God.

We have still to hear who invited us to "evolve"? (If indeed they did!)

Nobody invited us to evolve. Evolution (as you well know by now) is a natural process which happens to populations, not as an individual choice.

 

[disciple Clint]

Hi there,

So yes, simple fact:What can we learn from this?

Can we not make a simple parallel with Evolution? Who invited us to evolve?

If we are invited, we can understand the way in which we are invited, can we not? Also what is expected? Also how long it takes?

If I am being invited to evolve for millenia, that's a lot different than if I am being invited for centuries.

Without this crucial information, there is no way to evaluate what "Evolution" means.

God being invited means that we have a relationship with Him - that God desires to preserve that relationship, with Him.

In time, I hope this thought encourages us to master our understanding of Evolution, not just nod in ascent to the idea that it tells us everything we need to know, about everything.

Do you see, where I am going with this?

no

 

[Gottservant]

Nobody invited us to evolve. Evolution (as you well know by now) is a natural process which happens to populations, not as an individual choice.

Nobody invited you to evolve? Why then do you claim to have an evolving choice?

 

[Strong in Him]

Hi there,

So yes, simple fact:
God was invited to create

No one invited God to create, since there was no one before God or greater than God.
God did not need permission from anyone.

No one "invited" anyone to evolve, just as no one "invites" babies to be born.

 

[Gottservant]

[...]

Where in scripture does it say "God was not invited to create"?

Where in scripture does it say "God must create for no reason"?

Where in scripture does it say "God cannot protect you from a false invitation?"

 

[Strong in Him]

Where in scripture does it say "God was not invited to create"?

Where in scripture does it say "God must create for no reason"?

Where in scripture does it say "God cannot protect you from a false invitation?"

Where does it say in Scripture that God WAS invited to create? Who invited him?

I have no idea what you mean by "God cannot protect you from a false invitation". It's not good English and it's not even logical.

 

[Shemjaza]

It's nice to see that something can come along where the response from representatives of Christians, atheists, Creationists and evolution proponents is:
No. That's not how that works.

 

[Tanj]

We have still to hear who invited us to "evolve"? (If indeed they did!)

We have still yet to hear who invited God to create.

 

[Tanj]

It's nice to see that something can come along where the response from representatives of Christians, atheists, Creationists and evolution proponents is:
No. That's not how that works.

uhh...surely we are living in the end of days?

 

[Herman Hedning]

In the beginning was the word. (John 1:1)

The word was not the word because it was the word, but was the word because it was heard.

I am suggesting that God wanted to be heard (and how can He want to be heard, unless there is someone to hear Him?)

He was with God in the beginning. (John 1:2)

God did not create a separate word, for the word, because the word was the word.

No one invited God to create a word for the word (because the word was the word, and all heard it).

A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird
B-b-b-bird, b-bird's the word
A-well, a bird, bird, bird, bird is the word
A-well, a bird, bird, bird, well-a bird is the word
A-well, a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well, a bird, bird, bird, well-a bird is the word
A-well, a bird, bird, b-bird is the word
A-well, a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well, a bird, bird, bird, well-a bird is the word
A-well, a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a don't you know about the bird?
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word

... you're welcome.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Nobody invited you to evolve?

Correct

Why then do you claim to have an evolving choice?

I don't.

Please stop misrepresenting evolution. We've been over this many times.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Hi there,

So yes, simple fact:What can we learn from this?

Can we not make a simple parallel with Evolution? Who invited us to evolve?

If we are invited, we can understand the way in which we are invited, can we not? Also what is expected? Also how long it takes?

If I am being invited to evolve for millenia, that's a lot different than if I am being invited for centuries.

Without this crucial information, there is no way to evaluate what "Evolution" means.

God being invited means that we have a relationship with Him - that God desires to preserve that relationship, with Him.

In time, I hope this thought encourages us to master our understanding of Evolution, not just nod in ascent to the idea that it tells us everything we need to know, about everything.

Do you see, where I am going with this?

Who invited God?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

In the beginning was the word. (John 1:1)

The word was not the word because it was the word, but was the word because it was heard.

I am suggesting that God wanted to be heard (and how can He want to be heard, unless there is someone to hear Him?)

He was with God in the beginning. (John 1:2)

God did not create a separate word, for the word, because the word was the word.

No one invited God to create a word for the word (because the word was the word, and all heard it).

"You will also witness of Me, for you were with Me, in the beginning" Jesus (John, from memory).

We were not speaking in the beginning, because we were listening to God - but that does not mean we were not there.

Put it this way "who remembers the word for the word?" - if we are invited to remember a word for the word, do we not simply remember the word? (And if we simply remember the word, what need has God of Creating anything else?)

This is faulty on a number of levels, the simplest of which is John 1:1 which you quote is about Jesus. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In Genesis it says let us create man in our image, that is basically the Godhead (Trinity) speaking amongst themselves. So God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit agreeing to create, not someone other than God. This whole thread is based upon way incorrect data and assumptions. Which is evolution in a nutshell

 

[Gottservant]

God found Wisdom inviting, Wisdom invited God.

That's the shortest story about the beginning that you will ever hear!

 

[Strong in Him]

God found Wisdom inviting, Wisdom invited God.

Where does the Bible say that, then?