The truth about physical attraction.

[BAFRIEND]

You have seen those movies and TV shows about how some person has a leg amputed and does not realize it because they can still feel the missing leg ?

That is because all physical pain is in your head. The nerves send messages to the brain and the brain tells you to experince pain. There is not really any pain at all. It is just a figment of consciousness.

The same with sexual attraction, it is not physical. When you see an object, you are not even seeing the object, but an image of it sent to your brain. Your brain interprets it.

So, if you claim that you are same sex attracted, that attraction comes from an image projected on the surface of your eyeball and then sent chemically into the brain where an image is formed and then interpreted objectively by your brain. It is all in your head. That means there is something mentally wrong with you if you are a homosexual.

You need to be like the amputee and learn how to walk on crutches, because if you do not you will always stumble and fall.

Unlike the amputee, you can grow your tail back like the lizard, and be cured or consciously reject your homsexuality.

I hope this helps.

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

These are the strongest foundations for an argument I have yet seen.

You have seen those movies and TV shows about how some person has a leg amputed and does not realize it because they can still feel the missing leg ?

David Chalmers would disagree.

1. If Physicalism [doctrine whereby all mental/physiological reactions are automated responses to pain etc] is true, then it's not possible for there to be a world in which all the physical facts are the same as those in the actual world but in which there are additional facts.
2. But there is a possible world in which all the physical facts are the same as those in our world but in which there are additional facts.
3. Therefore, physicalism is false.

That's of course, if you intend 'physical pain is all in your head' as a universal statement. And if you say that 'No, physical pain is all in your head in this world', then you'd need to support that with evidence, or reasoning.

That is because all physical pain is in your head. The nerves send messages to the brain and the brain tells you to experince pain. There is not really any pain at all. It is just a figment of consciousness.

'When you see an object, you are not even seeing the object...' This kind of reasoning is beneath contempt.

The same with sexual attraction, it is not physical. When you see an object, you are not even seeing the object, but an image of it sent to your brain. Your brain interprets it.

This argument also applies to people that are attracted to the opposite sex. Do all people who find someone attractive have something mentally wrong with them? Or is there something wrong with the one who condemns all kinds of attraction?

So, if you claim that you are same sex attracted, that attraction comes from an image projected on the surface of your eyeball and then sent chemically into the brain where an image is formed and then interpreted objectively by your brain. It is all in your head. That means there is something mentally wrong with you if you are a homosexual.

This analogy is probably one of the worst ones I have yet seen.

You need to be like the amputee and learn how to walk on crutches, because if you do not you will always stumble and fall.

Good luck with that

Unlike the amputee, you can grow your tail back like the lizard, and be cured or consciously reject your homsexuality.

Fascist humbug.

I hope this helps.

 

[Celticflower]

I hope this helps.

No you don't. You hope it supplies other homophobes with ammo to use against gay individuals.

Your entire post is without merit.

 

[ReformedChapin]

No you don't. You hope it supplies other homophobes with ammo to use against gay individuals.

Your entire post is without merit.

I guess by your definition all bible beliving Christians are homophobes.

 

[Celticflower]

I guess by your definition all bible beliving Christians are homophobes.

No, I don't. It is one thing to see homosexual acts defined as sins in the Bible. It is quite another to make up "scientific facts" to support your view that homosexuality is a "mental" problem.

 

[BAFRIEND]

These are the strongest foundations for an argument I have yet seen.



David Chalmers would disagree.

1. If Physicalism [doctrine whereby all mental/physiological reactions are automated responses to pain etc] is true, then it's not possible for there to be a world in which all the physical facts are the same as those in the actual world but in which there are additional facts.
2. But there is a possible world in which all the physical facts are the same as those in our world but in which there are additional facts.
3. Therefore, physicalism is false.

That's of course, if you intend 'physical pain is all in your head' as a universal statement. And if you say that 'No, physical pain is all in your head in this world', then you'd need to support that with evidence, or reasoning.



'When you see an object, you are not even seeing the object...' This kind of reasoning is beneath contempt.



This argument also applies to people that are attracted to the opposite sex. Do all people who find someone attractive have something mentally wrong with them? Or is there something wrong with the one who condemns all kinds of attraction?



This analogy is probably one of the worst ones I have yet seen.



Good luck with that



Fascist humbug.

No you don't. You hope it supplies other homophobes with ammo to use against gay individuals.

Your entire post is without merit.

David Chalmers is a philosopher, therefore using his rationals against me falls under the category of debate using metaphysics and fails.

Your entire post starts out good and then dissolves into a blanket and lazy comment that I am a fascist.

If you wish to say my comment has no merit, sister, at least have the brains to provide a factual arguement against it, if you want your viewpoint to be respected.

 

[Celticflower]

If you wish to say my comment has no merit, sister, at least have the brains to provide a factual arguement against it, if you want your viewpoint to be respected.

I don't recall requesting you to respect my viewpoint. You can print it out and throw darts at it for all I care.

As for the "brains" comment -- there is no need to be nasty.

 

[Pogue]

You've posted this on the debates about homosexuality forum as well, and I think what I said there stands. You've gone from describing how something is (i.e, what happens when we are attracted to someone) to saying that one group of people are 'mentally wrong'. Firstly, if we all react this way when we're attracted to someone, how come it's just homosexuals who have something 'mentally wrong' with them? Secondly, to steal an idea of David Hume, you can't go from an 'is' to an 'ought'. It's like saying 'Some people drink tea. So drinking tea is wrong!' It's a logical fallacy.

 

[Chie]

You have seen those movies and TV shows about how some person has a leg amputed and does not realize it because they can still feel the missing leg ?

That is because all physical pain is in your head. The nerves send messages to the brain and the brain tells you to experince pain. There is not really any pain at all. It is just a figment of consciousness.

The same with sexual attraction, it is not physical. When you see an object, you are not even seeing the object, but an image of it sent to your brain. Your brain interprets it.

So, if you claim that you are same sex attracted, that attraction comes from an image projected on the surface of your eyeball and then sent chemically into the brain where an image is formed and then interpreted objectively by your brain. It is all in your head. That means there is something mentally wrong with you if you are a homosexual.

You need to be like the amputee and learn how to walk on crutches, because if you do not you will always stumble and fall.

Unlike the amputee, you can grow your tail back like the lizard, and be cured or consciously reject your homsexuality.

I hope this helps.

We have the right to our convictions. We have the right to voice our opinion . We have the right to rightly divide the Word , to study the Word for reproof , and corrections. We have the right to make righteous judgment. But we have no right or justification in the Lord to condemn people on the bases of mental illness , if this is your case to prove sin , you have just damned ever person on the face of this earth that have mental disorders. Sin is the cause of man's heart.

 

[BAFRIEND]

We have the right to our convictions. We have the right to voice our opinion . We have the right to rightly divide the Word , to study the Word for reproof , and corrections. We have the right to make righteous judgment. But we have no right or justification in the Lord to condemn people on the bases of mental illness , if this is your case to prove sin , you have just damned ever person on the face of this earth that have mental disorders. Sin is the cause of man's heart.

regardless of the disorder, if you have the ability to clmb above it, your mental shortcomings are no excuse to be justifying perversions through misrepresntation of Christianity through relativism.

 

[BAFRIEND]

You've posted this on the debates about homosexuality forum as well, and I think what I said there stands. You've gone from describing how something is (i.e, what happens when we are attracted to someone) to saying that one group of people are 'mentally wrong'. Firstly, if we all react this way when we're attracted to someone, how come it's just homosexuals who have something 'mentally wrong' with them? Secondly, to steal an idea of David Hume, you can't go from an 'is' to an 'ought'. It's like saying 'Some people drink tea. So drinking tea is wrong!' It's a logical fallacy.

Your body belongs to God, and therefore abusing it is just a bad as child abuse... if you allow for gay sex lifestyle you must also agree with pedophilia on the same merits.

 

[Dannager]

Your body belongs to God, and therefore abusing it is just a bad as child abuse... if you allow for gay sex lifestyle you must also agree with pedophilia on the same merits.

There are like five things wrong with this argument, and the author will listen to none of them.

 

[Piedpiper123]

This argument also applies to people that are attracted to the opposite sex. Do all people who find someone attractive have something mentally wrong with them?

So now, Mr BARFRIEND, your argument lies in ruins!

 

[*Starlight*]

You have seen those movies and TV shows about how some person has a leg amputed and does not realize it because they can still feel the missing leg ?

That is because all physical pain is in your head. The nerves send messages to the brain and the brain tells you to experince pain. There is not really any pain at all. It is just a figment of consciousness.

The same with sexual attraction, it is not physical. When you see an object, you are not even seeing the object, but an image of it sent to your brain. Your brain interprets it.

So, if you claim that you are same sex attracted, that attraction comes from an image projected on the surface of your eyeball and then sent chemically into the brain where an image is formed and then interpreted objectively by your brain. It is all in your head. That means there is something mentally wrong with you if you are a homosexual.

You need to be like the amputee and learn how to walk on crutches, because if you do not you will always stumble and fall.

Unlike the amputee, you can grow your tail back like the lizard, and be cured or consciously reject your homsexuality.

I hope this helps.

Just because something's in your head it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, unless you want to argue that your head doesn't exist.

Anyway, your argument doesn't explain why homosexuality would be any worse than heterosexuality.

 

[Pogue]

Your body belongs to God, and therefore abusing it is just a bad as child abuse... if you allow for gay sex lifestyle you must also agree with pedophilia on the same merits.

You quoted my original post, but you didn't actually address any of my points.
Your logic doesn't show that our bodies belong to God (I believe they do, for the record, but you haven't shown that) and it also doesn't show that homosexuality is abuse.
I think it's both offensive and wrong to compare homosexuality to paedophilia. Paedophilia harms somebody else. A child cannot give informed consent. So it's wrong. This doesn't apply to gay relationships.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Just because something's in your head it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, unless you want to argue that your head doesn't exist.

Anyway, your argument doesn't explain why homosexuality would be any worse than heterosexuality.

This whole forum is deabte on why homosexuality i9s wrong, why should I have to go into that ?

 

[*Starlight*]

This whole forum is deabte on why homosexuality i9s wrong, why should I have to go into that ?

It's for debates on if homosexuality is wrong, not why homosexuality is wrong... and you didn't give any reasons for it to be wrong.

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

Your argument supervenes on the subject of metaphysics, and thus is amply refuted by Chalmers' argument. Your argument rests on the simple premise that 'Neurons X's, Y's and Z's are firing, and Person P is experiencing state S.' You mean to say that person P experiences state S because of those neurons? What evidence have you to support this claim?

David Chalmers is a philosopher, therefore using his rationals against me falls under the category of debate using metaphysics and fails.

I see no refutation forthcoming.

Your entire post starts out good and then dissolves into a blanket and lazy comment that I am a fascist.

You have not sufficiently argued for your claim. Why therefore, does she need to argue for a negated conclusion?

If you wish to say my comment has no merit, sister, at least have the brains to provide a factual arguement against it, if you want your viewpoint to be respected.

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

Erm, you refute your very post sir. If there are different interpretations as you so agree, then why is your interpretation correct? 'Because it's what the Bible says'? Question begging nonsense; it's the very interpretations of the Bible that are disputed over.

Oh, and btw, tis not a necessary condition that 'interpreting the Bible' in your manner makes one intelligent.

regardless of the disorder, if you have the ability to clmb above it, your mental shortcomings are no excuse to be justifying perversions through misrepresntation of Christianity through relativism.

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

What do you even mean by 'abuse'? Using a thing in a manner that it is not intended to be used in? Do you abuse your eye by winking, or your fingers by clicking them for someone's attention? If yes, then do people who wink agree with paedophilia? You fool, keep your fascist views to yourself, and consider your own shortcomings as opposed to trying to attack other's [if they are even shortcomings?].

Argument a:

1. God owns the bodies he created [i.e, everyone's..].
2. An omni-everything being will not make any mistakes in creating a thing
3. Since he is omni-everything, everything he makes is intentionally made that way
4. Homosexuals are created by God
5. Therefore, they were intentionally made homosexual.

Now argument b:

1. An omni-benevolent being does not create things so that he can punish them for things which are not their fault [i.e, homosexuality, since God created them, being homosexual is a thing which they are powerless to prevent]
2. God is an omni-benevolent being
3. Therefore, he does not punish people for things which are not their fault

Argument c:

1. An act is only sinful if and only if one was powerless to prevent effecting it
2. Homosexuals are powerless to prevent having a homosexual nature
3. Therefore, having a homosexual nature is not a sin.
[4. If a thing's not sinful, then it's not wrong in the eyes of God
5. Therefore, having a homosexual nature is not wrong in the eyes of God]

Your body belongs to God, and therefore abusing it is just a bad as child abuse... if you allow for gay sex lifestyle you must also agree with pedophilia on the same merits.