The Trinity v Creationism

[theFijian]

Hi All, this is just a wee straw poll to see what your thoughts are on the following quote:

Not believing in the trinity makes you more of a Christian than believing in the trinity and accepting evolution.

Is it better to deny the trinity than to deny Evolution?

 

[theFijian]

What with the ongoing ding-dong in the Origins forum and the lack of interest in this poll, I can only assume that there is little interest among the Creationist fraternity for defending the Person and work of Christ. What a shame

 

[vossler]

I see this simply as a flawed question unworthy of a response.

 

[charsan2]

Hi All, this is just a wee straw poll to see what your thoughts are on the following quote:


Is it better to deny the trinity than to deny Evolution?

It is better to deny evolution (evilution) and go be with God, then to deny the Trinity and burn

 

[mark kennedy]

Its a pointless poll since it creates a false comparison. You can believe in evolution and be a Christian, you can't deny the Trinity and be considered Christian by any mainstream Christian church. The more important question would be why you rejected essential doctrine and if it's out of ignorance or spiritual immaturity it's forgivable.

The deity of Christ is what lead to the doctrine of the Trinity in the first place. God the Father created the world through the Son (the Word) in the power of the Holy Spirit who was hovering over the deep in the opening of the Genesis account.

I don't really care if you believe in evolution if you don't deny essential doctrine and your not simply creating division and contention. The Trinity on the other hand is essential doctrine and those who would deny it should not consider themselves Christians. You best believe they will be rejected by the Church at large with very little qualification required.

 

[theFijian]

It is better to deny evolution (evilution) and go be with God, then to deny the Trinity and burn

So only one Creationist is willing to state that the Trinity is more foundational than rejecting evolution (mind you I have Mark on ignore so don't know what his take is, I can probably have a fair stab at it though). Quite telling really.

 

[miamited]

Hi Fijan,

I'm with Charsan. Tell me, what does the lack of participation among creationists in your 'wee straw poll' tell you.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[theFijian]

Hi Fijan,

I'm with Charsan. Tell me, what does the lack of participation among creationists in your 'wee straw poll' tell you.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

I did speak out of turn in my last post, and for that I apologise. What lack of Creationist participation in a poll tells me is ... there's been lack of Creationist participation in a poll! I created this poll because as i stated in the OP, there was a Creationist who created an anti-evolution thread and in that same thread denied the doctrine of the Trinity. The only folks who were interested in defending the Trinity were the theistic evolutionists, another creationist even joined in with the denial of the deity of Christ. Where this all comes from is that TEs are widely regarded as theological liberals who follow the philosophies of man over the word of God. Some will continue to believe this no matter what, but hopefully other will see that some TEs do take the word of God seriously.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

As per the OP:

1. I am Old Earth Creationist and I believe in the Blessed Trinity. I do not believe in Evolutionism. However, your question is founded upon an improper and logical fallacy. I may not agree with the basis for evolution, even to the point of thing, that it might preclude Theism in its basic assumptions. However, Christians who espouse Theistic Evolution I do not condemn for it. I've bigger fish to fry.

2. Original Poster: You are making persons choose from a false dilemna; making folks sacrifice a fundamental belief or precluding a fundamental belief, sacrificing that may quite well be to be very true. It is simply an improper statement; a "non-sequitur."

 

[theFijian]

As per the OP:

1. I am Old Earth Creationist and I believe in the Blessed Trinity. I do not believe in Evolutionism. However, your question is founded upon an improper and logical fallacy. I may not agree with the basis for evolution, even to the point of thing, that it might preclude Theism in its basic assumptions. However, Christians who espouse Theistic Evolution I do not condemn for it. I've bigger fish to fry.

2. Original Poster: You are making persons choose from a false dilemna; making folks sacrifice a fundamental belief or precluding a fundamental belief, sacrificing they may quite well be to be very true. It is simply an improper statement; a "non-sequitur."

I wasn't trying to present an either-or question, more a 'on a sliding scale' question.

 

[gluadys]

So only one Creationist is willing to state that the Trinity is more foundational than rejecting evolution (mind you I have Mark on ignore so don't know what his take is, I can probably have a fair stab at it though). Quite telling really.

You can believe in evolution and be a Christian, you can't deny the Trinity and be considered Christian by any mainstream Christian church. [snip] I don't really care if you believe in evolution if you don't deny essential doctrine and your not simply creating division and contention. The Trinity on the other hand is essential doctrine and those who would deny it should not consider themselves Christians.

Mark may not agree with you on some things, but it looks as if he is in your corner on this one.

 

[theFijian]

Mark may not agree with you on some things, but it looks as if he is in your corner on this one.

Thanks, I have mark on ignore so wasn't aware of his response.

 

[juvenissun]

Hi All, this is just a wee straw poll to see what your thoughts are on the following quote:


Is it better to deny the trinity than to deny Evolution?

First, you need to explain what does it mean by "deny the Trinity". If I accept the Father, the Son and the Spirit, but I don't accept that they are one, but are three. Am I accepting or denying the Trinity?

On the other side, deny evolution would also have problem. One needs to spell out the definition of evolution first. Otherwise, I might have denied the wrong thing. For example, I do accept that DNA is changing.

Logic only gives trouble. Doesn't it?

 

[theFijian]

First, you need to explain what does it mean by "deny the Trinity". If I accept the Father, the Son and the Spirit, but I don't accept that they are one, but are three. Am I accepting or denying the Trinity?

On the other side, deny evolution would also have problem. One needs to spell out the definition of evolution first. Otherwise, I might have denied the wrong thing. For example, I do accept that DNA is changing.

Logic only gives trouble. Doesn't it?

Indeed it is troublesome to some.