The Trinity Doctrine

[barryrob]

Must be nice to be able to decree your own definitions.

I decree that you are wrong, and the correct definition is this:

"As inherently visual media, visions can only portray and contain things that are visible. Ergo, nothing invisible can exist in a vision."

Form a human point of view, but God is not human!

Visons in the Bible can also be used to help humans to understand a reality that is not tangable literaly but has to be understood spiritualy or intelectually as it is a law, idea, principle etc. to explain a reality.


Daniel 2:28
Your dream and the visions of your head upon your bed—this it is:

Daniel 4:5
And there were mental images upon my bed and visions of my head that began to frighten me.

Daniel 4:10
"‘Now the visions of my head upon my bed I happened to be beholdin. .

Daniel 4:13
"‘I continued beholding in the visions of my head upon my bed, . .

Daniel 7:1-2
In the first year of Bel·shaz´zar the king of Babylon, Daniel himself beheld a dream and visions of his head upon his bed. At that time he wrote down the dream itself. The complete account of the matters he told. 2 Daniel was speaking up and saying:. .

Matthew 17:9
And as they were descending from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying: "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead."

Acts 10:3
Just about the ninth hour of the day he saw plainly in a vision an angel of God come in to him and say to him: "Cornelius!"

Acts 11:5-6
"I was in the city of Jop´pa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision, some sort of vessel descending like a great linen sheet being let down by its four extremities from heaven, and it came clear to me. 6 Gazing into it, I made observations and saw four-footed creatures of the earth and wild beasts and creeping things and birds of heaven.

Acts 16:9-10
And during the night a vision appeared to Paul: a certain Mac·e·do´ni·an man was standing and entreating him and saying: "Step over into Mac·e·do´ni·a and help us." 10 Now as soon as he had seen the vision, we sought to go forth into Mac·e·do´ni·a, drawing the conclusion that God had summoned us to declare the good news to them.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

I always called myself a Christian. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I believe in the Holy Spirit. I believe God is just that God...all good all powerful. I believe Jesus is the one and only son of God and died for our sins and lived to show us how to live. I believe the Holy Spirit guides us...kinda like our thoughts and morals. But I am not sure I believe in putting God into a trinity package and pretending to have it all figures out that the 3 are actually 1. I was told trinity is the base of Christianity and if I do not believe in trinity than I am not a Christian. I am no certain denomination as I believe they are all right in their own beliefs. I don't have a title because everytime I think I got a title someone informs me I'm not. I am a person who is loved by God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and believes in the Bible 100%. I search for the truth according to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit not truth according to man and majority rules.
Love and God Bless you all...If anyone knows what I am let me know???

Trust me,you are indeed a christian,probably much more so than those that were judging you for not bowing down to their belief.God is the Father who became Flesh (The Father).Jesus is the man the Father became (The Son).And when you get saved God's Spirit came to live inside you (The Holy Spirit) they are not separate at all,they are not different persons,beings,ect...But they are all one and the same.
God did not stop being God after his incarnation,and Jesus did not stop being a man after his death and resurrection.That is why you have the distictivness of The Father and the Son,example Jesus on the right hand of the Father.Jesus was fully man and fully God (not 1/3 God,just ''God the Son'') but fully God Father,Son and H.S..His humanity was the Son,His deity is the Father and his Spirit is the H.S.,that is why you can interchange Spirit of God .Holy Spirit and Spirit of Christ,they all are the same Spirit.The distinction between the Father and the son is in the duality of Jesus,not because they are separate beings.
So once again be rest assured believing or disbelieving in the trinity does not affect you salvation,and if it did,you are on the right side of the debate,not the wrong.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

I have read both threads on trinity. I am still left with one question. I posted this on the other thread and was ignored...

If trinity is fact...

Then why do people have to know Jesus to be saved?

If God...Jesus...Holy Spirit...are One...

God = (GodJesusHolySpirit)

Wouldn't they automatically have both him and the holy Spirit by believing in God? So then the Jews are saved? Other religions who believe in the creator are saved? For it is a package deal...Buy one get two free!

Before you answer please remember that I am most definitely a Christian! Some of you have been really judgmental on the other thread. I do not have all the answers and neither do you. I will always question doctrine that is not spelled out in my Bible. Surely Jesus would have told us the word trinity if it made the difference in our salvation.

LOVE

I am a christian but I am not a trinitarian,I believe that Jesus himself is God,Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead.So Jesus was not limited to ''God the Son,he was fully God.But I agree it is NOT a salvation issue I believe many trinitarians will be in heaven.But the reason we must accept Jesus is because he said so.in John 14:6 it says that Jesus is the way the truth and the life no man comes to the Father but through him.And Galatians 2:21 say if there were any other way to receive salvation then Christ's death was in vain.So although I am not trinitarian I do not think it is a salvation issue but I do most whole hearted believe that no one can be saved unless they accept Jesus as their saviour.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

I have read both threads on trinity. I am still left with one question. I posted this on the other thread and was ignored...

If trinity is fact...

Then why do people have to know Jesus to be saved?

If God...Jesus...Holy Spirit...are One...

God = (GodJesusHolySpirit)

Wouldn't they automatically have both him and the holy Spirit by believing in God? So then the Jews are saved? Other religions who believe in the creator are saved? For it is a package deal...Buy one get two free!

Before you answer please remember that I am most definitely a Christian! Some of you have been really judgmental on the other thread. I do not have all the answers and neither do you. I will always question doctrine that is not spelled out in my Bible. Surely Jesus would have told us the word trinity if it made the difference in our salvation.

LOVE

I am a christian but I am not a trinitarian,I believe that Jesus himself is God,Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead.So Jesus was not limited to ''God the Son,he was fully God.But I agree it is NOT a salvation issue I believe many trinitarians will be in heaven.But the reason we must accept Jesus is because he said so.in John 14:6 it says that Jesus is the way the truth and the life no man comes to the Father but through him.And Galatians 2:21 says if there were any other way to receive salvation then Christ's death was in vain.So although I am not trinitarian I do not think it is a salvation issue but I do most whole hearted believe that no one can be saved unless they accept Jesus as their saviour.