The Toronto Deception

[simpleone]

I agree, I couldn't either. But I can say that most supposed Christians are nothing but pagans worshipping themselves and their own intellect.

Sorry, but in effect, they are their own "gods".

dude...not sure what you are saying here...sounds a lil too general?
i would like to think most christians love and serve an almighty God...of course in reality we makes some mistakes on the way but as long as the heart is facing God....he will help us overcome...and only God would know this..
God bless

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

do you all realize most of the stuff from the Toronto blessing is over? Like they don't have the meetings every night like they used to...I don't think everything they did was right. There was some..and still is some pretty out there things. I love the way people keep bringing up the barking and stuff...That stopped SO long ago (after proper teaching)...and yet...people still bring it up! Like COME on. It is done and over. I just still question some of the stuff. We get their magazine, and I wonder about what I see in there...not all of it was bad...but it wasn't all good either.

 

[simpleone]

do you all realize most of the stuff from the Toronto blessing is over? Like they don't have the meetings every night like they used to...I don't think everything they did was right. There was some..and still is some pretty out there things. I love the way people keep bringing up the barking and stuff...That stopped SO long ago (after proper teaching)...and yet...people still bring it up! Like COME on. It is done and over. I just still question some of the stuff. We get their magazine, and I wonder about what I see in there...not all of it was bad...but it wasn't all good either.

Hi belovedmelody:

I am partly interested in the history of it...could you elaborate a lil on when you say the barking and stuff stopped after proper teaching? So they in the end believed it was not of God?
Just curious...

thx

 

[FortunateSon]

dude...not sure what you are saying here...sounds a lil too general?
i would like to think most christians love and serve an almighty God...of course in reality we makes some mistakes on the way but as long as the heart is facing God....he will help us overcome...and only God would know this..
God bless

It was intended to be "too general".

In the same way that someone could witness a crazy person acting like a barking dog urinating on a post and then come to the conclusion that the TACF outpouring was not of God.

 

[simpleone]

It was intended to be "too general".

In the same way that someone could witness a crazy person acting like a barking dog urinating on a post and then come to the conclusion that the TACF outpouring was not of God.

Aah..get your point now (you know why i call myself simpleone now) heh

Yeah...am sure there were many good things from the outpouring...I still listen to some of the worship tunes...

but am sure the devil is capable of perverting stuff too..which could have happened as ppl sought more of the manifestations than God...or could not have...hmm

but yeah...cant generalise the whole thing...good point

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

John Arnott once said, that there was 'flesh' moments...the barking etc. He corrected it by some teaching. I wasn't there, but what I have read from their magazine etc...that is the conclusion I came to. The barking died out LONG ago,..like late 90's...so kinda crazy it keeps coming up. John also said about throwing the baby out with the bath water. anyway, I don't go, or even pay much attention to that any more. I am sure thre is good stuff that came out of it.BUT There were fleshly times too. I am sure that won't end!

 

[simpleone]

Guys...I think I have an idea of what this means....but hearing it more often and just wanna be sure:
forgive my lack of understanding but...what is specifically meant by
"throwing the baby out with the bath water" in terms of the outpouring.

thx

 

[Ajax 777]

Guys...I think I have an idea of what this means....but hearing it more often and just wanna be sure:
forgive my lack of understanding but...what is specifically meant by
"throwing the baby out with the bath water" in terms of the outpouring.

thx

It means dismissing everything that happened as false,
because of the things that were shown to be false
becoming enough to dismiss the entire event.

Of course, the whole thing to me is about one thing:
laughing where there should have been weeping and repentance,
instead of laughing fits which produced little to no repentance.
There can be "holy laughter" after repentance,
as the joy of redemption can produce laughing and joyful weeping,
otherwise known as the joy of the Lord,
much like the joy experienced by both the prodigal son and his father
upon the son's return home from rebellious living,
but not the sort that was seen at the Toronto Airport.

God bless...

 

[FortunateSon]

It means dismissing everything that happened as false,
because of the things that were shown to be false
becoming enough to dismiss the entire event.

Of course, the whole thing to me is about one thing:
laughing where there should have been weeping and repentance,
instead of laughing fits which produced little to no repentance.
There can be "holy laughter" after repentance,
as the joy of redemption can produce laughing and joyful weeping,
otherwise known as the joy of the Lord,
much like the joy experienced by both the prodigal son and his father
upon the son's return home from rebellious living,
but not the sort that was seen at the Toronto Airport.

God bless...

Really? I am assuming you have scripture to definatively back up this "no laughing" during repentance formula?

 

[simpleone]

It means dismissing everything that happened as false,
because of the things that were shown to be false
becoming enough to dismiss the entire event.

Of course, the whole thing to me is about one thing:
laughing where there should have been weeping and repentance,
instead of laughing fits which produced little to no repentance.
There can be "holy laughter" after repentance,
as the joy of redemption can produce laughing and joyful weeping,
otherwise known as the joy of the Lord,
much like the joy experienced by both the prodigal son and his father
upon the son's return home from rebellious living,
but not the sort that was seen at the Toronto Airport.

God bless...

Thanks man...that was clear as crystal...I had a feeling it was that...but good to know am on the same page as others (for this atleast)

I also tend to like your description of the whole thing...interesting view....we always have something to repent or be grateful for from the Lord...its his mercy by which we can come to Him and call unto him...certainly there is much joy when he accepts us inspite of our wretched sinful selves...
God is gracious...
I have experienced great joys in my life and I have seen some of the laughter of the type of TACF...which doesnt really look all that joyful to me but rather scary...but hey...they could well have been experiencing some true joy...
anyway...you seem to have put it nicely..

God bless !

 

[Ajax 777]

Really? I am assuming you have scripture to definatively back up this "no laughing" during repentance formula?

...I am just speechless.

Are you this blind? Are you this calloused to the truth?

Do you even know what repentance is???

Let me ask you this: did the publican who stood at a distance from the altar while he repented
as the Pharisee stood up in front of everyone and patted himself on the back for not being a
sinner like the publican repent by laughing at his horrible sinful state, peeping and mooing,
or did he beat his breast and rend his heart with tears, looking down and counting himself
as not worthy to even look at Heaven?

Do you laugh when someone dies? Did you find heartbreak reason for comic relief?

There was more joy in Heaven over that one sinner who repented than there would
be for a thousand saints who do not need to repent.

 

[FortunateSon]

...I am just speechless.

Are you this blind? Are you this calloused to the truth?

Do you even know what repentance is???

Then your answer is that, no you do not have scriptural backing?

 

[Ajax 777]

Read it again.

 

[simpleone]

These could mean different things depending on how you interpret it - but looks obvious I think...


Acts 3:19

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord"

[/FONT]2 Corinth: 7:10 also..
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted

 

[FortunateSon]

Read it again.

That wasn't there when I captured your quote. But now that you do have it there, where does it say that the first man who thanked god that he was not like the other man did it while laughing?

You claim that one cannot repent and laugh at the same time. Surely you must have a scripture to back it up.

 

[Ajax 777]

That wasn't there when I captured your quote. But now that you do have it there, where does it say that the first man who thanked god that he was not like the other man did it while laughing?

You claim that one cannot repent and laugh at the same time. Surely you must have a scripture to back it up.

I'll do better than that. I'll even go so far as to show you why it is
GODLY SORROW that produces TRUE repentance, a reason for why we weep:

God is, and has been, calling for a time of weeping.
The Scriptures predicts this call for the last days.

Joel 1:13
Gird yourselves, and lament, ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar:
come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God..."

Joel 2:12,13,15
"Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to Me with all your heart,
and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
and rend your heart and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God:
for He is gracious, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth Him of the evil...
Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly..."

Joel 2:17
"Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar,
and let them say, Spare Thy people, O Lord, and give not Thine heritage to reproach,
that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people,
Where is their God?"

You may question, 'Why weep and lament?' Joel will answer this question in his book.
Sometimes we don't understand our God, and His ways.
For instance, Jesus - after what we call the "triumphal entry" on Palm Sunday,
went to a hillside near Jerusalem and wept. Others thought that the day had been triumphant,
but Jesus knew what was about to happen. He wept for the hypocrisy, for the instability of mankind,
for the soon-to-come deception, and for the betrayal by one of His disciples.

We should heed God's advice that during the last days there is supposed to
go out a call for the people to weep and lament.
The book of Joel reveals a number of reasons for the last day saints to weep.

But you tell me how you can turn away from something that you find entertaining.
Wasn't the OP enough to show you what you need to see?
Why are you still trying to have your sin, and enjoy it too?

 

[Hisgirl]

(oooOhweee...there's somebody here who could use a good laughing fit )

My daughter told me this past week at her Bible study, a girl in the corner started laughing...and laughing...and laughing....AND LAUGHING. She was escorted outside where she laughed some more.

Her friend told my daugher that earlier in the evening she had prayed over the girl and asked God to fill her with joy. Apparently God's joy runneth over like a spring in a dry desert. My girl said everyone there got so blessed seeing this previously depressed girl so joyous.

 

[FortunateSon]

But you tell me how you can turn away from something that you find entertaining.
Wasn't the OP enough to show you what you need to see?
Why are you forever trying to have your sin, and enjoy it too?

I beg your pardon. Who are you to accuse me of sin?

 

[Ajax 777]

(oooOhweee...there's somebody here who could use a good laughing fit )

My daughter told me this past week at her Bible study, a girl in the corner started laughing...and laughing...and laughing....AND LAUGHING. She was escorted outside where she laughed some more.

Her friend told my daugher that earlier in the evening she had prayed over the girl and asked God to fill her with joy. Apparently God's joy runneth over like a spring in a dry desert. My girl said everyone there got so blessed seeing this previously depressed girl so joyous.

Yes, but if she also repented, then that is different,
and not what I'm talking about.

I will rejoice in Heaven. Down here,
the joy of the Lord is my strength,
not my excuse.

 

[Ajax 777]

I beg your pardon. Who are you to accuse me of sin?

Just a fellow sinner who is concerned for your eternal welfare.