The Toronto Blessing dog leash video...where is it from?

[Faulty]

Hummm??
John Arnott believes the animal manifestations are from the Spirit. I heard him preach on the subject. So that's why he would not have taken it out of the book. (or put a stop to it in the church for that matter). I have a hard time believing he would deceive anyone- never mind deceive a man just to have his endorsement. You don't build a church and sustain revival for all those years by seeking the endorsements of men. God Himself endorsed the Arnott's and their ministry.
I dont' believe this story is the whole truth.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know for sure that "God Himself" endorsed it?

 

[Prizm]

Some are legitimate prophetic acts. For example, crowing like a rooster: God has said "it's a wake up call for my church". Dog bark: Jesus is at the door.

I've never heard those explanations before! Are you speculating, or were these the actual reasons given for these manifestations?

So by "prophetic act", do you mean these people believed that had a gift of prophecy (or perhaps simply had a word from God), and instead of telling the congregation "Jesus is at the door", they would act like a dog instead?

In that video there is someone in the background mooing like a cow. Do you know what that prophecy would be? Or are some of them not prophecies?

agree to reign in the excessive flesh (to take away the stage).

Just to clarify, by "stage" do you mean allowing people to come down to the front/altar and manifest?

The church in Toronto was TACF - The Airport Christian Fellowship.

I know Toronto Airport was the main church related to this revival, but I'm trying to identify the church in the video, which was in Boston.

There was a man on a leash ... There is no indication that it was done in response to anything specific in the meeting. ... So we can't say, from that video, that it was an accepted part of "the blessing".

Interesting that there is a report of a guy on a leash at Toronto. There's two people on leashes in the video, plus the guy you're talking about. Maybe it was more common than I thought.

they would gently direct and lead the person to a nearby room where they could manifest to their hearts content.

lol I bet the manifesting stopped pretty quick without an audience. It's no good prophesying to an empty room.

This is not them thinking they are a lion, but a prophetic reference to Jesus who is known as the Lion of Judah.

Did they say what this is actually a prophecy of? Like what is the actual message?

Thanks for the replies, some very interesting information there!

 

[Child of JC]

Just out of curiosity, how do you know for sure that "God Himself" endorsed it?

God used their ministry to change lives and ignite ministries all over the world. The fruit is clearly seen. Many can testify that God moved in them and caused changes within. I'm one.
You're not going to find a ministry without some kind of fault. They didn't repent from the animal manifestations because they believe it's God! Can't please both God and His critiques. I think John and Carol Arenott did a great job leading this ministry. At the center is God and God is Love. They minister in Love. People who zero in on the manifestations and discredit their ministry miss their message, which is "The Heart of the Father".
This why I like to bring up Hosea. If he was a pastor now a days, the congregation would miss the love message because they would focus in on their pastor marrying a prostitute. The law would be used to back their position. Hosea would be kicked out, judged, criticized! Men would not endorse him! He 100% obeyed God.

 

[Child of JC]

I've never heard those explanations before! Are you speculating, or were these the actual reasons given for these manifestations?

So by "prophetic act", do you mean these people believed that had a gift of prophecy (or perhaps simply had a word from God), and instead of telling the congregation "Jesus is at the door", they would act like a dog instead?

These were the actual reasons given by John Arnott. I heard him preach it in 2008.
All are able to prophecy.
I don't know why God chooses prophetic acts. Again, Hosea, why didn't God just ask Hosea to tell everyone that He loved them? Why have him marry a prostitute? Why have Jeremiah lie on his side for years? Why did Jesus speak in parables? Why is Revelations filled with symbols instead straight talk? It benefits us to search out a matter; it causes us to seek Him.

 

[PinkSapphire007]

Before Toronto Vineyard, John Arnott was a pastor in a little church in Stratford, and we were members of it. He is the most honest man going. I love him dearly...and feel a bit protective of him. His message was the same there as it was when he moved to Toronto. He was "excommunicated" because he wouldn't be controlled by another man. He walks in the Spirit. He did eventually "reign" in the excessive, but not for a man.

 

[Passionate Chicken]

You should be ashamed. Really!
How is this video even up? It makes fun of religion and the charismatic movement.
Has anyone clicked on the videos after it plays? Where they make fun of the crucifixion of Jesus in the Passion of the Christ movie using the same saxophone music?
There's no other point to this video's posting than to laugh at charismatics.

 

[Faulty]

God used their ministry to change lives and ignite ministries all over the world. The fruit is clearly seen. Many can testify that God moved in them and caused changes within. I'm one.

These reasonings are the same heard for those endorsing the purpose-driven and emergent church movements as well, and they aren't endorsed by God. So, I'm wondering if there's more.

 

[Faulty]

You should be ashamed. Really!
How is this video even up? It makes fun of religion and the charismatic movement.
Has anyone clicked on the videos after it plays? Where they make fun of the crucifixion of Jesus in the Passion of the Christ movie using the same saxophone music?
There's no other point to this video's posting than to laugh at charismatics.

I'm fairly certain the OP made a point different then this. So, your opinion that there is no other point other than the one you are endorsing, might be a wee bit off-center.

 

[SharonL]

there must have been more than one Toronto Blessing - I attended the Toronto Blessing for 5 days - I never saw one single thing like this. I saw thousands of people in an anointed meeting after meeting. Blessings in every way. I saw miracle after miracle of healing, people's lives changed and blessing after blessing. God gave me a very anointed poem in one of the split off meetings it mnistered to 6 people in an individual way right before my eyes - sent a blind girl home to her family she has not been with in 2 years - brought her in to ministry for the blind. Out of 2,000 people God pointed out one woman that needed a touch from God and I was instructed to give that poem to her - she had been there for 5 days and felt everyone received a touch but her - she left in tears for that special touch.

I have read many times about all these things at the Toronto Blessing - but I have failed to see one of them. It was a beautiful, life changing memory that I cherish.

 

[lismore]

These reasonings are the same heard for those endorsing the purpose-driven and emergent church movements as well, and they aren't endorsed by God. So, I'm wondering if there's more.

You could Add JW and Latter Day Saints to that list.

Their ranks and their influence exploded after their founder received 'new revelation'. But a better test would be if their revelation lines up with what the bible says.

 

[Child of JC]

These reasonings are the same heard for those endorsing the purpose-driven and emergent church movements as well, and they aren't endorsed by God. So, I'm wondering if there's more.

You could Add JW and Latter Day Saints to that list.

Their ranks and their influence exploded after their founder received 'new revelation'. But a better test would be if their revelation lines up with what the bible says.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

 

[lismore]

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

 

[lismore]

I'd love some more information.

The lady who howls like a wolf has a Scottish accent.

There is still a fair bit of that kind of expression in some Scottish Churches.

Hope that helps

 

[PinkSapphire007]

You could Add JW and Latter Day Saints to that list.

Their ranks and their influence exploded after their founder received 'new revelation'. But a better test would be if their revelation lines up with what the bible says.

what "new revelation" was being proclaimed? PROOF or retract.

 

[lismore]

what "new revelation" was being proclaimed? PROOF or retract.

The Mormons had a book they claimed was brought by an angel called Moroni or some such thing. It's a big book with many new things in it:

Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

JWs have some new things they teach also via the Watchtower Society. But I'm not so familiar with them.

Hope this helps

The point being that just because an organisation grows does not mean that their teachings are truth. You could also add Muslims to the list..................lots of numerical growth there. A better test is lining up the new teaching against the scriptures.

 

[PinkSapphire007]

No, my question was, where did John Arnott come out with new revelation? I know about JW"s and such.

 

[lismore]

No, my question was, where did John Arnott come out with new revelation? I know about JW"s and such.

In my post I mentioned JWs and Latter day Saints:

You could Add JW and Latter Day Saints to that list.

Their ranks and their influence exploded after their founder received 'new revelation'. But a better test would be if their revelation lines up with what the bible says.

I didn't refer to 'John Arnott'

God Bless

 

[jamadan]

Before Toronto Vineyard, John Arnott was a pastor in a little church in Stratford, and we were members of it. He is the most honest man going. I love him dearly...and feel a bit protective of him. His message was the same there as it was when he moved to Toronto. He was "excommunicated" because he wouldn't be controlled by another man. He walks in the Spirit. He did eventually "reign" in the excessive, but not for a man.

John wimber confronted arnott as the God appointed head of the entire vineyard communion acting on behalf of the appointed leadership. Arnott lied. He went back on his word. God used wimber to try to reach arnott who was supposed to be to submitted to wimber as timothy submitted to paul. Arnott was kicked out of vineyard. They don't do that casually.. they really had to view tacf as being off the path and disobedient in a fellowship that almost never had to exercise such authority.

 

[Tobias]

John wimber confronted arnott as the God appointed head of the entire vineyard communion acting on behalf of the appointed leadership. Arnott lied. He went back on his word. God used wimber to try to reach arnott who was supposed to be to submitted to wimber as timothy submitted to paul. Arnott was kicked out of vineyard. They don't do that casually.. they really had to view tacf as being off the path and disobedient in a fellowship that almost never had to exercise such authority.

How do you know the exact details of this situation? That Arnott lied...


The Vineyard organization is very loose. I'm sure Arnott never took an oath to obey Wimber even if he felt he was wrong. Arnott, just like each one of us, has a responsibility to obey God over Man.

What I read into the situation is that Arnott listened to correction, and tried to obey the leadership of his "denomination"; yet in the end chose to be obedient to God rather than to Man. Withdrawing his church from the fellowship of the Vineyard was a mutual decision, not a "kicking out" as you seem to indicate, if we are to believe what both sides had to say about it when it happened.



You know Jamadan, HOW you report the details is just as important as getting the facts straight. 12 spies went into the land of Canaan, and saw both the giants and that the land was flowing with milk and honey. But for 10 of them, all they could talk about were the giants, with no hope in a God that had promised to fight their battles for them!

Every time I read one of your "reports" about what the land of Charismatic Christianity holds for us, the faith inside of me gets frostbite.

 

[Prizm]

These were the actual reasons given by John Arnott. I heard him preach it in 2008.

Interesting, thanks!

The lady who howls like a wolf has a Scottish accent.

There is still a fair bit of that kind of expression in some Scottish Churches.

Hope that helps

Interesting, I wasn't aware these manifestations were common in Scotland.

thanks