THE TITHES

Such a subject will be argued at great lengths by those who practice certain sectarian formulations, so we need to look at Bible-only as our authority. A tenth of all possessions ---the Tithe, was Israel's due by God under law and ordinances, but the Church is called to "lay by" each week what one will feel able to give, and we are exhorted by the Lord to give liberally.

Some speak of corrupt practices and various rationales about giving funds, but we need to see what the Lord has shown us in this dispensation (administrative age) for using our resources for God. Again, I exhort faithful saints to be in fellowship with a Bible-only gathering, and bad leadership will not be a problem. The various godly elders in the fellowship will help guide the assembly. I recommend a visit to the site: biblecounsel.net to see what God intends for His testimony in the world. One can ask questions there. Look up always, for God cares always!

1watchman said:

A tenth of all possessions ---the Tithe, was Israel's due by God under law and ordinances.

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This is not an accurate statement and I noticed that you did not offer any verses to support your claims.

Firstly, the tithe (under the Mosaic law) was only food according to Leviticus 27:30; it being the fruit of the tree, seed of the ground and the 10th animal to pass under the rod. Other passages such as Malachi 3:10 "that there might be food in my house," also confirm that the tithe was FOOD, and not money.

Secondly, people paid three tithes of a tenth each, not one. The Levitical tithe (Numbers 18:19-20), the festival tithe )(Deuteronomy 14:22-17) and the poor tithe (Deuteronomy 14:28-29). So if you want to obey the Bible then pay three tithes not one.

Thirdly, as you didn't pay money on money, people on salaries did not tithe, the tithe was a tax on only agricultural produce.

Fourthly, the tithe was exclusively a tax on the produce on the land of Israel, so if you don't live within the Promised land (Israel), then you were forbidden from tithing (Deuteronomy 6:1-3). Numbers 18:21 clearly states; “all the tithes in Israel,” so tithes were only paid on people’s increase (Deuteronomy 14:22), on their agricultural products (Leviticus 27:30), within the land of Israel (and not outside of Israel).

Fifthly, every 7th and 50th years, the entire nation of tithers, within the nation of Israel were completely excluded from paying tithes for the entire year.

If your not tithing EXACTLY like this, then what you are calling tithing isn't Biblical and neither is it approved by God, it's just man-made nonsense, being promoted today because it enriches today's pastors.

I have revised my post defining the tithe, here is the expanded and revised version.

Firstly, the tithe (under the Mosaic law) was only food according to Leviticus 27:30; it being the fruit of the tree, seed of the ground and the 10th animal to pass under the rod. Other passages such as Malachi 3:10 "that there might be food in my house," also confirm that the tithe was FOOD, and not money.


Secondly, people paid three tithes of a tenth each, not one. The Levitical tithe (Numbers 18:19-20), the festival tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22-17), and the poor tithe (Deuteronomy 14:28-29). So if you regard yourself as being under the Biblical command to pay tithes, then pay three tithes not simply one!


Thirdly, as you didn't pay money on money, people on salaries did not tithe, the tithe was a tax on only agricultural produce.


Fourthly, the tithe was exclusively a tax on the produce on the land of Israel, so if you don't live within the Promised land (Israel), then you were forbidden from tithing (Deuteronomy 6:1-3). Numbers 18:21 clearly states; “all the tithes in Israel,” so tithes were only paid on people’s increase (Deuteronomy 14:22), on their agricultural products (Leviticus 27:30), within the land of Israel (and not outside of Israel).


Fifthly, The first of these tithes, the Levitical tithe, was payable only to the Levite tribe of Israel, (Nehemiah 10:37), nobody else was permitted to collect it, and this tithe had to be paid to the tribe of Levi within one of 48 designated Levite cities within Israel (Numbers 35:7).


Sixthly, every 7th (Sabbath) year (Exodus 23:10), and 50th (Jubilee) year (Leviticus 25:10-11), the entire nation of tithers, within the nation of Israel were completely excluded from paying tithes for those entire years.


So if you are not tithing EXACTLY just like this, as in the above six points, then what you are calling tithing, isn't remotely similar to biblical tithing and neither is it approved by God, as it's simply man-made teaching, promoted today by money-grabbing pastors.

alex2165 said:

TITHES



Leviticus 27.30-34

30.Thus all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's, it is holy to the Lord.

31.If therefore, a man wishes to redeem part of his tithe, he shall add to it one-fifth of it.

32.And for every tenth part of herd or flock, whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord.

33.he is not to be concerned whether it is good or bad, nor shall he exchange it, or if he does exchange it, then both it and its substitute shall become holy. It shall not be redeemed."



Deuteronomy 12.6.11.28

6.And there you shall bring burn offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the contribution of your hand, your votive offerings, your freewill offerings, and the first-born of your herd and of your flock.

11.then it shall come about that the place in which the Lord your GOD shall choose for His name to dwell, there you shall bring all that I command you, your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the contribution of your hand, and all your choice votive offerings which you will vow to the Lord.



Deuteronomy 14.22-24.28

22.You shall surely tithe all the produce from what you sow which comes out of the field every year.

23.And you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your GOD, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the first-born of your herd and your flock, in order that you may learn to fear the Lord your GOD always.

24.And if the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your GOD chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your GOD blesses you,

28.At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit it in your town.



Deuteronomy 26.12

12.When you have finished paying all the tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan, and to the widow, that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.



2Chronicles 31.5-6.12

5.And as soon as the order spread, the sons of Israel provided in abundance the first fruits of grain, new wine, oil, honey, and of all the produce of the field, and they brought in abundantly the tithe of all.

6.And the sons of Israel and Judah who lived in the cities of Judah, also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of sacred gifts which were consecrated to the Lord their GOD, and placed them in heaps.

12.And they faithfully brought in the contributions, and the tithes, and the consecrated things, and Conaniah the Levite was the officer in charge of them, and his brother Shimei was second.



Nehemiah 10.37-38

37.We will also bring the first of our dough, our contributions, the fruit of every tree, the new wine, and the oil, to the priests at the chambers of the House of our GOD, and the tithe of our ground to the Levites, the Levites are they who receive the tithes in all the rural towns.

38.And the priest the sons of Aaron, shall be with the Levites when the Levites receive tithes, and the Levites shall bring up the tenth of the tithes to the House of our GOD, to the chambers of the storehouse.



Nehemiah 12.44

44.On that day men were also appointed over the chambers for the stores, the contributions, the first fruits, and the tithes, to gather into them from the fields of the cities the portions required by the Law, for the priests and Levites, Judah rejoiced over the priests and Levites who served.



Nehemiah 13.4-5

4.No prior to this, Eliashib the priest, who was appointed over the chambers of the House of our GOD, being related to Tobiah,

5.had prepared a large room for him, where formerly they put the grain offerings, the frankincense, the utensils, and the tithes of grain, wine and oil, prescribed for Levites, the singers, and the gatekeepers, and the contributions for the priests.



Amoc 4.4

4.”Enter Bethel (Ephraim) and transgress, in Gilgal (Ephraim) multiply transgression, bring your sacrifices every morning, your tithes every *three days.”

*(it may have been made mistake in translation, tithes have been collected, presented, and given to Levites every three years. Deuteronomy 14.28, 26.12. A.G)


Malachi 3.8-10

8.Will a man rob the GOD? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.

9.You are cursed with a curse, you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you!

10.Bring the whole tithes into the storehouse so that there may be food in My House, and test Me now in this' says the Lord of hosts, 'If I will not open for you the windows of heaven, and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows.


Matthew 23.23

23.”Woe to you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you tithe, mint, and dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: Justice, and Mercy, and Faithfulness, these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.”

(1Samuel 15.22) (Psalm 51.16-17) (Proverbs 21.3.27) (Ecclesiastes 5.1) (Hosea 6.6) (Isaiah 1.11-20) (Jeremiah 6.20) (Amos 5.21-24) (Micah 6.6-8) (Zechariah 7.2-4.9-10) (Matthew 9.13, 12.7, 23.23) (Mark 12.32-33)



Luke 11.42

42.”But woe to you Pharisees! You pay tithe of mint and rue ("rue - from its thick and fleshly leaves". KSB, Greek Dictionary of the New Testament, page 57), and every kind garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of GOD, but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.



Luke 18.10-14

10."Two men went up into the Temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax-gatherer.

11.The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself, 'GOD, I thank You that I am not like other people swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax-gatherer.

12.I fast twice a week, I pay tithes of all that I get.'

13.But the tax-gatherer standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast saying, 'GOD, be merciful to me, the sinner!'

14.I tell you, this man (tax-gatherer) went down to his house justified rather than the other (Pharisee), everyone who exalts himself shall be humbled, but he who humbles himself shall be exalted."

(Job 22.29) (Proverbs 29.23) (Matthew 20.25-28, 23.11-12) (Mark 9.35, 10.43-45) (Luke 9.48, 14.11, 18.14, 22.24-27) (1Peter 5.5-6)


Hebrews 7.8-12

8.And in this case mortal men (Levites, descendants of Abraham) receive tithes, but in that case (with Abraham) one receives them of whom it is witnessed that he (Melchizedek) lives on.

9.And so to speak, through Abraham, even Levi who receives tithes, paid tithes (in the past to Melchizedek),

10.for, he (Levi) was still in the loins of his father (Abraham) when Melchizedek met him.

11.Now, if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood, on the basis of it the people received the Law, what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron?

12.For, when the priesthood is changed of necessity, there takes place a change of Law also.


The Physical tithes collected for physical mortal men, for Levites and for the needy and poor.

The Spiritual tithes such as: Justice, Mercy, Faithfulness (Matthew 23.23), and the love for GOD (Luke 11.42), collected in the hearts of men and presented before GOD in the deeds of Compassion, Mercy, Justice, and Faithfulness, all deriving from the love for GOD. A.G.


2Corinthains 9.6-7

6.Now this I say, he who sows sparingly (carefully, in moderation) shall also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully.


7.Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, GOD loves a cheerful giver.


*("GOD loves a cheerful giver" (2Corinthains 9.6-7), according to the theme of entire chapter, it definitely relates to the contributions of food and other material things needed for the saints, for Apostles of Christ in Jerusalem, who were persecuted for the name of Christ and become in need, mostly of food, which the verses 9-12 in 2Corinthians giving some clues about it, but definitely not the money.

On the other hand, money can be accepted too, but it was not the major driving force of the donations, but mostly food, clothes, and shelter for those who persecuted and in need.

If money ever was donated, money never been donated as a payment for anything, or as a payroll and wages for saints, priests, missionaries, people of GOD, or to any other men who preached and served the Lord, but exclusively in emergency to prevent starvation and poverty, mostly of the missionary like Paul and others, but never as a payment for service or a salary.

So the saying, "GOD loves a cheerful giver", has been taken out of its context by hierarchy of the church, it clergy, by pastors, and by all sorts of preachers, in order to justify their parasitic life style and greed for money, paid to them as their salary from the church business and donations of the parishioners.)



Such practice to collect money for doing the work of GOD already has been condemned in the Old Testament: (Micah 3.11).

Jesus Christ also condemned such practice: (John 10.11-13).

And Apostle Peter specified that money has no part in the work and in the service of the Gospel as a payroll: (1Peter 5.1-4).

Apostle Paul also clarified this subject and presented himself as an example of unconditional and honest worker of Christ in his missionary ministry, who would not accept money for his services for GOD, but the opposite, work with his own hands to support not only himself but even those who were companions with him on his missionary journeys: (Acts 20.33-36).




2Chronicles 24.8-10

8.So the king (Jehoash-Joash, 8th king of Judah) commanded and they made a chest, and set it outside by the gate of the House of the Lord.

9.And they made a proclamation in Judah and Jerusalem to bring to the Lord the levy fixed by Moses, the servant of GOD, on Israel in the wilderness.

10.And all the officers and all the people rejoiced, and brought in their levies and dropped them into the chest, until they had finished.



Proverbs 22.9

9.He who is generous will be blessed, he gives some of his food to the poor. (KSB)



As clearly evident from all the verses above, collecting Tithes in form of money is the invention of the greedy church and has nothing to do with GOD.

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Well said! Tithing was also limited strictly to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 6:1-5), as the Hebrews were not permitted to tithe until they entered into the land. Not only is tithing unbiblical, but so too is the clergy / laity division which promotes laziness, prevents the laity from exercising their spiritual gifts and turns church into a pyramid selling scheme with the pastors on top, receiving the tithes in the form of a free house, car, pension, salary etc. That being so the beneficiaries of the tithes, cannot change the system from within, the system is corrupt and the churches where I live are in virtual complete apostasy.

Tithe, The Law, New Testament Giving


ABRAM
Genesis 14:Abram gives 10% (vs 20) of the best of the war spoils he'd taken to the Priest & King of Salem, Melchizedek.

Abram gives the best 10% of the war spoils to Melchizedek. And the remaining 90% to Sodom & Gomorrah (vs 24). Abram kept NOTHING for himself!

Abram doesn't give 10% of his personal items (EVER!): No cattle, no oil or wine & no corn or wheat. Only booty from the Kings he conquered while retrieving his kidnapped nephew Lot.

This event takes place 430 years before the law (given to Israel only) & tithing to the Levites are implemented.

JACOB
Before the Mosaic Law is implemented Abraham's grandson Jacob makes a freewill vow to God: """IF GOD"""

Gen. 28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and (IF GOD) will keep me in this way that I go, and (IF GOD) will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:

22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

(Jacob's proposition is """IF GOD""" meet's Jacob's requirements. He will give God back 10%.

Point: this was a freewill 10% offering. And only made on things already in Jacobs possession. NEVER ON SOMETHING FUTURE - LIKE AN UNEARNED PAYCHECK.

Next, how or to whom did Jacob tithe? No Mosaic Law, no Levitical Priests, no local Churches. Two different way's:

Deut. 12:6 & 7 & 14:29
6) Bring your freewill offering, (7) have a communion meal with God/Christ. (14) Now freely share/give to the, poor, the stranger, the fatherless & the widow. And God will bless you in all the work of thine hand.

TITHE ORIGIN
Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

(Last verse 1st: This command is given ""ONLY"" to the children of Israel (NOT THE CHURCH). The scripture say's seed from the land, fruit, trees, herd & flock, that passes under the rod. Ok, a rod is put up, you walk your animals 1 by 1 under it. At #10 you give it to the Pristhood. If you only had 19 animals you gave only 1. My pet peeve here is most Churches pander for your all of your 1st 10%. That's unscriptural!

Next: No mention of fowl's or fish. So, a fisherman paid nothing on his catch. Tradesmen, cobblers, who made the shoes for the servants of the field, did not tithe. Carpenters, potters, the women, who made the garments, the servants who worked in the fields for wages, did not tithe.

Simple facts of Biblical teaching of tithing:

ONLY LANDOWNERS TITHED, ONLY PRODUCTS OF THE LAND WERE TITHED, ONLY LEVITES COULD RECEIVE THE TITHES

TITHING WAS A LAW OF MOSES- CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES!

TITHE & PRIESTHOOD
Num 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

27 And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress.

28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

(1st: "But the TITHES of the children of Israel, I have given to the Levites to inherit" (NOT THE CHURCH). 12 Tribe's; 11 are given a Land to possess. The Priesthood gets no land possession. They can't grow food or expand herds. The other 11 are to give a tithe to the Levites. ANY LEVITES IN YOUR CHURCH?

A priest had to be from the tribe of Levi & the family of Aaron. Jesus Christ the Churches Great High Priest is reffered to as the Lion from the Tribe of Judah. And is a Priest after the odrer of Melchizedek. Whom predated & superseeds the Levitical order.

Hebrews 7:3 (Melchizedek) Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Finally I CAN NOT FIND 1 SCRIPTURE ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE. ON TITHING MONEY, NOT ONE!

The point of this post is to share truth.

Does our local Church & global ministries need our financial support? Of course, yes, ABSOLUTLY!

Acts 20:35 (C) Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
(I see here a blessing promise from the Lord for freewill giving)

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
(Bring WEEKLY your best freewill gift)

2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
(Give a little, receive a little, give alot, receive alot)

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, """or of necessity""": for God loveth a cheerful giver.
(A tithe is given out of the laws necessity. A worthless gift from todays believer. A freewill gift from the heart is loved and rewarded by our Lord)

When it comes to giving. Christians are taught to give generously, sacrificial & expectant of a blessing in return. And most certainly CHEERFULL FREEWILL GIVER'S!

Lets ALL take a moment, to prayerfully examine our giving patterns. Lets pray earnestly that the Holy Spirit would challenge us ALL.

To see whether they are in line with God's New Testament plan of being Generous, Sacrificial, Cheerful Giver's! Maranatha

On my YouTube Channel: Christian Comedy Channel, I have a tithing playlist with a 68 video series against tithing including two debates of mine with pro-tithers.

robert skynner said:

This is not an accurate statement and I noticed that you did not offer any verses to support your claims.

Firstly, the tithe (under the Mosaic law) was only food according to Leviticus 27:30; it being the fruit of the tree, seed of the ground and the 10th animal to pass under the rod. Other passages such as Malachi 3:10 "that there might be food in my house," also confirm that the tithe was FOOD, and not money.

Secondly, people paid three tithes of a tenth each, not one. The Levitical tithe (Numbers 18:19-20), the festival tithe )(Deuteronomy 14:22-17) and the poor tithe (Deuteronomy 14:28-29). So if you want to obey the Bible then pay three tithes not one.

Thirdly, as you didn't pay money on money, people on salaries did not tithe, the tithe was a tax on only agricultural produce.

Fourthly, the tithe was exclusively a tax on the produce on the land of Israel, so if you don't live within the Promised land (Israel), then you were forbidden from tithing (Deuteronomy 6:1-3). Numbers 18:21 clearly states; “all the tithes in Israel,” so tithes were only paid on people’s increase (Deuteronomy 14:22), on their agricultural products (Leviticus 27:30), within the land of Israel (and not outside of Israel).

Fifthly, every 7th and 50th years, the entire nation of tithers, within the nation of Israel were completely excluded from paying tithes for the entire year.

If your not tithing EXACTLY like this, then what you are calling tithing isn't Biblical and neither is it approved by God, it's just man-made nonsense, being promoted today because it enriches today's pastors.

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You make a serious error here in not realizing that the Church is not under OT ordinances, but is the "born again" saints of the new testament. Jesus reprimanded the Jews for giving tithes for gain, among other abuses. All the ref. in NT to offerings is not about "tithe" but choosing to render funds to God as one has prospered; and giving to Apostles for the work and blessings to the needy; and being "a cheerful giver" ---note some examples: 1 Cor. 16:1-2; 2 Cor. 9:7; etc. I think you might want to find your walk in the New Testament, friend

1watchman said:

You make a serious error here in not realizing that the Church is not under OT ordinances, but is the "born again" saints of the new testament. Jesus reprimanded the Jews for giving tithes for gain, among other abuses. All the ref. in NT to offerings is not about "tithe" but choosing to render funds to God as one has prospered; and giving to Apostles for the work and blessings to the needy; and being "a cheerful giver" ---note some examples: 1 Cor. 16:1-2; 2 Cor. 9:7; etc. I think you might want to find your walk in the New Testament, friend

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Tithing is not giving, they are two completely separate things, and under the levitical law, gentiles were not permitted to tithe, as they had no tribe and so could not name their tribe. ALl tithing was limited to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 6:1-5) and payable only to the levites, with offerings only going to the priests (Nehemiah 10:37). I am looking to debate a pro-tither on video, i.e. we never meet but post alternate 10 minute videos to youtube, at the conclusion of the debate, all videos are edited into a single video which will resemble closely a real face to face debate (even though we never meet). Let me know if you are interested, I have a 68 video series against tithing on my tithing playlist on Youtube in my channel: Christian Comedy Channel.

Let me know if you or somebody else is interested in debating tithing on video.

Well, I must stand on what the Bible teaches and as I clearly stated above; and since you are an avowed non-Christian preferring atheism (according to your profile), I can allow you would not be taught of God and would presume to look away from God's Word. Look up, friend, and know the Lord, then you can discern the Word of God.

1watchman said:

Well, I must stand on what the Bible teaches and as I clearly stated above; and since you are an avowed non-Christian preferring atheism (according to your profile), I can allow you would not be taught of God and would presume to look away from God's Word. Look up, friend, and know the Lord, then you can discern the Word of God.

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If you stand upon the Bible then, you must be against modern day tithing, as tithing was given to the nation of Israel (Deuteronomy 27:34),, they tithed food not money (Leviticus 27:30), to the tribe of Levi (Nehemiah 10:37), but only once they entered the promised land, Israel never tithed outside the promised land (Deuteronomy 6:1-5). So your standing upon a promise given to somebody else is insane! The Bible is supposed to be read in context, you're not supposed to grab what you like and then stand upon promises given to other people. As for giving, tithing is not giving. I am open to public debate 1watchman, as for my being an atheist, you read that into my profile, I never said that. Look if you are really correct then why not debate me, I am happy to be correct by the Bible, how about debating: "Does the Bible command Christians to pay tithe today?"

So if you are not tithing EXACTLY just like this, as in the above six points, then what you are calling tithing, isn't remotely similar to biblical tithing and neither is it approved by God, as it's simply man-made teaching, promoted today by money-grabbing pastors.

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This is why, btw, Jews today do not tithe. They give what they call a "fairness offering," but they do nothing they call a "tithe."

robert skynner said:

Tithing is not giving, they are two completely separate things, and under the levitical law, gentiles were not permitted to tithe, as they had no tribe and so could not name their tribe. ALl tithing was limited to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 6:1-5) and payable only to the levites, with offerings only going to the priests (Nehemiah 10:37). I am looking to debate a pro-tither on video, i.e. we never meet but post alternate 10 minute videos to youtube, at the conclusion of the debate, all videos are edited into a single video which will resemble closely a real face to face debate (even though we never meet). Let me know if you are interested, I have a 68 video series against tithing on my tithing playlist on Youtube in my channel: Christian Comedy Channel.

Let me know if you or somebody else is interested in debating tithing on video.

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The tithe was also not a sacrifice. The tithe did not go to the altar.

RDKirk said:

The tithe was also not a sacrifice. The tithe did not go to the altar.

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Yes the tithe was given to the levites (Nehemiah 10:37) in one of their 48 levitical cities, yet offerings where given to the priests to be directly offered on the altar (Nehemiah 10:37) .

robert skynner said:

Yes the tithe was given to the levites (Nehemiah 10:37) in one of their 48 levitical cities, yet offerings where given to the priests to be directly offered on the altar (Nehemiah 10:37) .

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Moreover, we will bring to the storerooms of the house of our God, to the priests, the first of our ground meal, of our grain offerings, of the fruit of all our trees and of our new wine and olive oil. And we will bring a tithe of our crops to the Levites, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all the towns where we work.

Those are two separate things. Firstfruits were a sacrificial offering collected throughout the year, based on the harvest time of each crop. The tithe was offered at a specific time of the year, based on what the farmer or herdsman had on hand at the specified time.

The tithe to the Levites did not, as its purpose as the tithe of the people, go to the altar.

However, the Levites, as everyone, needed to make their own sacrifices for sin and other purposes. Inasmuch as the Levites did not have their own land, they made their sacrifices from the tithes they received--another built-in reason why the tithes were of the same substance of the increase of the "ordinary" people.

This is the reason why the Law stated that the tithe was not to be either the best or the worst, but selected at random. So the Levites did not receive only sacrifice-quality animals or grain, but the same random quality that was born to the herdsmen and farmers. That meant the animals from which the Levites chose their sacrifices required the same decision to sacrifice the best they had available from the random quality tithes they had been given. God had this worked out.

RDKirk said:

The tithe was also not a sacrifice. The tithe did not go to the altar.

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agreed

RDKirk said:

The tithe was also not a sacrifice. The tithe did not go to the altar.

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Yes, that is what I said. I pointed out that at Nehemiah 10:37 the offerings went to the priest (for the altar), but the (first / levitical) tithe was to be given to the tribe of levi.

robert skynner said:

Yes, that is what I said. I pointed out that at Nehemiah 10:37 the offerings went to the priest (for the altar), but the (first / levitical) tithe was to be given to the tribe of levi.

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Okay. One of the specific false teachings of tithe-preachers is to conflate tithes with sacrifices, particularly the firstfruits, saying that the tithe must "come off the top" --which scripture explicitly denies ("...the tenth animal that passes under the rod") and that the tithe like other sacrifices must be "the best," which scripture also explicitly denies.

robert skynner said:

If you stand upon the Bible then, you must be against modern day tithing, as tithing was given to the nation of Israel (Deuteronomy 27:34),, they tithed food not money (Leviticus 27:30), to the tribe of Levi (Nehemiah 10:37), but only once they entered the promised land, Israel never tithed outside the promised land (Deuteronomy 6:1-5). So your standing upon a promise given to somebody else is insane! The Bible is supposed to be read in context, you're not supposed to grab what you like and then stand upon promises given to other people. As for giving, tithing is not giving. I am open to public debate 1watchman, as for my being an atheist, you read that into my profile, I never said that. Look if you are really correct then why not debate me, I am happy to be correct by the Bible, how about debating: "Does the Bible command Christians to pay tithe today?"

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Maybe it would be helpful if you read again my post in January here. The Church is NOT under the religion of the Israelites, but is a NEW TESTAMENT in and about the Lord Jesus. I am confident I spoke true to Holy Scripture, friend. If you will read prayerfully in the Gospel of John you might come to see Bible truth as given for us in this age.

1watchman said:

Maybe it would be helpful if you read again my post in January here. The Church is NOT under the religion of the Israelites, but is a NEW TESTAMENT in and about the Lord Jesus. I am confident I spoke true to Holy Scripture, friend. If you will read prayerfully in the Gospel of John you might come to see Bible truth as given for us in this age.

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I am arguing AGAINST Tithing, in fact I am looking for a pro-tithing opponent who will debate me on video. We don't need to meet, but we post alternate short videos to youtube on the topic of tithing.