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[AV1611VET]

I don't believe it just happened by itself. Apparently that means I'm ignorant dangerous and reject all science.

And you live in a trailer.

 

[AV1611VET]

If it's that simple then who doesn't believe it? I don't believe it happened on its own accord. Apparently that means I'm ignorant dangerous and reject all science

And you live in a ... oh, nevermind.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you equate the two? If someone questions evolution does that mean they reject all science? I don't. But from what I'm getting on this forum if you question evolution you are ignorant dangerous and reject all science

And ... [skip it].

 

[BPPLEE]

And you live in a trailer.

And date your cousin?

 

[ottawak]

Do I have to accept all of the TOE as a fact to avoid ridicule?

You don't have to accept it at all to avoid ridicule.a you just have to stop saaying it's false without being ble to tell us exactly why.
But even if you accepted all of it, you wouldn't be accepting it as "fact." You would be accepting it merely as the best available explanation for the evidence now in hand, no more.

 

[AV1611VET]

If there is a God, he used very defined processes in his creation.

Either that, or He used miracles.

Science is simply the search for those processes.

Good luck with that.

2 Kings 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

 

[AV1611VET]

And date your cousin?

That's okay though.

Darwin married his.

 

[BPPLEE]

You don't have to accept it at all to avoid ridicule.a you just have to stop saaying it's false without being ble to tell us exactly why.
But even if you accepted all of it, you wouldn't be accepting it as "fact." You would be accepting it merely as the best available explanation for the evidence now in hand, no more.

I don't remember saying it's false I do remember saying evolution happens just not molecules to man evolution which you pointed out actually refers to abiogenesis. What I said was there were some things I would have a hard time believing even if I stopped believing in God. I repeated something that Darwin said and then I was "poisoning the well and confirming the OP"

 

[Astrid]

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[Belk]

Either that, or He used miracles.Good luck with that.

2 Kings 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

That you believe your interpretation of scripture infallible does not negate the data the rest of mankind had managed to acquire.

 

[AV1611VET]

That you believe your interpretation of scripture infallible does not negate the data the rest of mankind had managed to acquire.

So if I believe, as you suggested, that "He used very defined processes in his creation," rather than "miracles," as I suggested -- that will be the correct infallible interpretation?

 

[Belk]

So if I believe, as you suggested, that "He used very defined processes in his creation," rather than "miracles," as I suggested -- that will be the correct infallible interpretation?

No, that would be what the data shows. You know, like how the data showed the earth is not flat or the center of the universe as some Christians believed.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, that would be what the data shows. You know, like how the data showed the earth is not flat or the center of the universe as some Christians believed.

Well, for the record, I don't think creatio ex nihilo even generated any evidence.

That's why God put in writing what He did.

 

[Belk]

Well, for the record, I don't think creatio ex nihilo even generated any evidence.

That's why God put in writing what He did.

Yes. I have seen you express that. The issue that comes up is the evidence that WAS generated. However, that would not convince you so I see no point in re-hashing it.

 

[Shemjaza]

Oh. It seemed like you were saying only an evolutionary biologist could have a valid argument for or against evolution

No one needs to be an evolutionary biologist if they have actual data and evidence to support their claim... but when it's a request for people to just take their word for it and they are not even an expert, then it's a different matter.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Either that, or He used miracles.

Well that would just be lazy, wouldn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well that would just be lazy, wouldn't it?

Ya -- why use matches, when you can just rub two sticks together?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well that would just be lazy, wouldn't it?

It's ironic that you guys think we should live in caves, yet you'll balk when God uses methods that are so far above science, they aren't even natural.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's ironic that you guys think we should live in caves, yet you'll balk when God uses methods that are so far above science, they aren't even natural.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Who here has ever said that humans should live in caves?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ya -- why use matches, when you can just rub two sticks together?

God could rub two wet noodles together if He wanted to...

But the whole point of a "miracle" is for God to demonstrate His power to convince nonbelievers.... why then would God perform a miracle that would take millions of years to be noticed, and even then only acknowledged as a "miracle" by people who already believe?

Give your God a little more credit. AV... or is it considered blasphemy to worship a God that's smarter than yourself?