The tip of the ice berg

[Astrid]

So you can see that they all had the evidence for evolution there in front of them... it just so happened that upon closer inspection it was Darwin's explanation that lines up with the details.

The discovery of the mechanics of inheritance and the origin of variation only tweaked the theory.


(You should probably ignore the hyperbole from popular science publications with their titles of "Does This New Discovery Change Everything!?!?", if they wrote about tools they way they wrote about science it would be: "Some Builders Say This Orange Handle Will Change The Hammer For Ever!")

Builders find arrowhead: This changes everythung we
thought we knew about the history of NYC!
( Find onr in the Triassic, then you do have
something that changes things!)

 

[Astrid]

A fine sounding response. I've yet to have a discussion with an evolutionist who does not believe that evolution has been proven. Obviously none of them were scientists. I wish I had a record of those conversations.

I referred some to James Tour as a example of a scientist who rejects evolution. One response at least was to the effect that he's just a Bible bashing creationist. Professor Tour used to have a blog. It became such a focus for vitriol and hate that he gave it up.

Show one (1) poster, or one scientist anywhere who
says the theory of evolution has been proved.

Or that proof even exists in science.

You will never succeed.

 

[BPPLEE]

I've heard that before.

Besides, you don't need to be a politician to have power to abuse... you could be a teacher... a pastor... a parent...



Indeed -- everyone has them, but it's considered poor form to wave them around in public and expect people to be impressed.

I don't know how I'm abusing anyone and I quit trying to impress anyone a long time ago

 

[BPPLEE]

Show one (1) poster, or one scientist anywhere who
says the theory of evolution has been proved.

Or that proof even exists in science.

You will never succeed.

Saying that it is a fact implies proof I would think

 

[Shemjaza]

A fine sounding response. I've yet to have a discussion with an evolutionist who does not believe that evolution has been proven. Obviously none of them were scientists. I wish I had a record of those conversations.

I referred some to James Tour as a example of a scientist who rejects evolution. One response at least was to the effect that he's just a Bible bashing creationist. Professor Tour used to have a blog. It became such a focus for vitriol and hate that he gave it up.

I suspect you are misremembering. But feel free to link to an example.

Repeatedly on this forum people will clarify that the colloquial use of proven or demonstrated to be beyond reasonable doubt is not a declaration of proven beyond all possibility of reproach like in logic or mathematics.

James Tour is a scientist... James Tour rejects evolution... James Tour HAS NOT presented evidence to justify this rejection. Studying science doesn't give you magic powers to declare science and I've never seen any evidence against evolution even suggested by James Tour.

 

[ottawak]

A fine sounding response. I've yet to have a discussion with an evolutionist who does not believe that evolution has been proven. Obviously none of them were scientists. I wish I had a record of those conversations.

I referred some to James Tour as a example of a scientist who rejects evolution. One response at least was to the effect that he's just a Bible bashing creationist. Professor Tour used to have a blog. It became such a focus for vitriol and hate that he gave it up.

James Tour did not "reject evolution." He's an IDist who signed the Dissent From Darwinism statement.

“We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”

He didn't reject evolution, he rejected a naturalistic evolution.

 

[Shemjaza]

Saying that it is a fact implies proof I would think

If I came home and found my sock in the kitchen all soggy and torn in half and then found the other sock in Abby's mouth, I'd know for a fact that the first sock was chewed up by a Labrador... but would not have mathematical or logical proof.

 

[BPPLEE]

If I came home and found my sock in the kitchen all soggy and torn in half and then found the other sock in Abby's mouth, I'd know for a fact that the first sock was chewed up by a Labrador... but would not have mathematical or logical proof.

If only it was that simple.

 

[Shemjaza]

If only it was that simple.

In real life we don't get absolute mathematical proof of anything.

The systems of paternity tests are reliable... but secret forgotten identical twins could disprove them.

The same technology and techniques demonstrate patterns of relatedness between different species.

 

[BPPLEE]

In real life we don't get absolute mathematical proof of anything.

The systems of paternity tests are reliable... but secret forgotten identical twins could disprove them.

The same technology demonstrate patterns of relatedness between different species.

I have proof of gravity

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I have proof of gravity U

Nobel prize in physics 2022 is yours for the taking. Congratulations!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I have proof of gravity

No, you can demonstrate the effects of gravity, ergo, you have evidence of gravity.

That is not proof.

 

[BPPLEE]

No, you can demonstrate the effects of gravity, ergo, you have evidence of gravity.

That is not proof.

It proves it to me

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It proves it to me

You know what... I will give you that one.

So why is it that the fossil record and the genetic evidence of the massive similarities between chimpanzees and humans can't count as proof to you of common descent?

 

[BPPLEE]

Nobel prize in physics 2022 is yours for the taking. Congratulations!

Walk off a building and see if you fall

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Walk off a building and see if you fall

I would certainly expect to fall. But that doesn't prove gravity, it just demonstrates that something causes me to move in a certain direction. Could be gravity, could be a god pushing/pulling me, could be an as yet unknown force. There are a number of possible explanations, but the most plausible one is gravity.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If only it was that simple.

The world is seldom as simple as some of us demand it to be.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Walk off a building and see if you fall

Indeed -- the existence of gravity is a fact.

Now, would you kindly explain how and why you fall?

 

[BPPLEE]

You know what... I will give you that one.

So why is it that the fossil record and the genetic evidence of the massive similarities between chimpanzees and humans can't count as proof to you of common descent?

They are both good evidence. I think the fossil record is the best evidence. There should be more transitional fossils though. They are good evidence but not proof

 

[BPPLEE]

Indeed -- the existence of gravity is a fact.

Now, would you kindly explain how and why you fall?

What Is Gravity? | NASA Space Place – NASA Science for Kids.