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In order to make the argument on the rich young ruler that no one can keep the law therefore why bother or we don't need to, you would actually need a verse for this.
Saying doesn’t Make it true.
It is kind of like saying nothing really.
Maybe explain why you think this rather say what you said?
Readers? lol... The only thing understood is, you did not address the points she made. You insulted her without proving anything.I am sure other readers understand exactly what I said.
This is weird - the idea never entered my head - your attempt to second guess my position was quite wrong.
But obeying Laws is not enough - Jesus said that to the rich young ruler.
Ok, I looked back at your post, you said Jesus said keeping the commandments was not enough. Jesus never said this.
Where did Jesus say keeping the commandments was not enough in these verses? The commandments the rich young ruler said he kept were not the commandments about loving God. Which is why I beleive Jesus was testing him over.21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.”
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Where did Jesus say keeping the commandments was not enough in these verses? The commandments the rich young ruler said he kept were not the commandments about loving God. Which is why I beleive Jesus was testing him over.
Are you saying Jesus was indicating we don't have to keep the commandments on how we love God and can break the verse first commandment, the same one this young ruler broke when he choose his great riches over Jesus?
He even indicated he went away sad because he had great possessions. To me this just shows, we can still mean to want to love God and want to follow Him, but on our own terms, putting our will over God's I do not beleive is going to work out any different. He wasn't a follower of God, He went away, Jesus never stopped him either. Sounds a lot like what Jesus said plainly in Mat7:21-23
This is not an example of Jesus saying keeping the commandments is not enough, the rich ruler wasn't keeping them all, just the ones he wanted. Jesus plainly stated, if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments Mat19:17 Its up to us if we choose to believe His plain teachings or not.
Why do you think only worshipping God is not following Him or finding salvation.I can't and wont make you see it...
But for the readers sake... Jesus was appealing for the young man to follow Him and find salvation - not in the commandments but in personal faith in, and obedience to the Saviour Himself.
This is a journey we all need to make.
As He said though Paul -
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross...
This is the New Covenant invitation - Salvation through the Cross alone - walking in the Spirit with Him daily - this is real peace and fulfilment - walking in the better promises - filled with His Joy - joining with Him in the excitement of celebrating His Goodness and Love - being inspired and empowered to walk in His predetermined works of righteousness in faith as Abraham did - as a Child of the Promise.
It seems that the legalists are going out of their way put the Christian back on the bondage of the law. I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves.Why do you think only worshipping God is not following Him or finding salvation.
It seems like people are going out of their way to glorify disobedience and following Him based on ones own terms on what we feel as right or wrong, instead of just following what God said as if God made a mistake that we have to correct.
If you think obeying the commandment to only worship God is under a "yoke of bondage" is not the way we know God 1John2:3-4It seems that the legalists are going out of their way put the Christian back on the bondage of the law. I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves.
“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brothers or sisters, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles. If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,”
1 Timothy 6:1-3 NASB2020
1 Timothy 6:1-3 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their maste | New American Standard Bible - N
All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their mastebible.com
Why do you think only worshipping God is not following Him or finding salvation.
So are you saying that it wasn't breaking the first commandment to not worship other gods when the rich young ruler choose his great possessions over following Jesus?You are doing it again - presuming to know what I think...
And using terms like "Glorifying Disobedience"
Really !!!!!!!
Walking in the Spirit with Jesus leads to a far greater obedience than keeping the Law ever did.
The Holy Spirit within is not silent and is our promised guide.
Of course we have personal communion with Him as Jesus did, and it is quite normal to receive personal revelation - Paul prayed for the faithful to receive exactly that.
This does not mean we don't hear Him as we read the Bible, it is typical for a new convert to have an enormous thirst for reading Scripture made alive by His indwelling Spirit. I read nothing but scripture for over 5 years. No other written input.
I guess you have to challenge and discredit folks who question your theology - nothing new there.
And yet you promote the popular teaching of this world that Paul as a Pharisee, was zealous to walk in the commandments of God, not the commandments, traditions and judgments of man as Jesus taught. The Rich man also said he abided by all the commandments of God since his youth even after the Prophets told him, " If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;".
As it is written, "Be Holy for I am Holy". You would do well to look up where God made this declaration so as to better understand what His Definition of "Holy" is. As opposed to adopting the definitions promoted by this world's religious system.
There are 2 spirits in this world God placed us in, according as it is written in the Holy Scriptures. 1 Spirit, is the Holy Spirit of God that God gives to them that obey Him according to Scriptures. The "other spirit", is the spirit of this world that worketh in the Children of Disobedience. The Holy Spirit promotes the Righteousness, definition of Holy and Just and Clean that comes from God the Father and shown to men though His Holy Scriptures that Paul said were Trustworthy, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works, whose Words Jesus said to Live By. The other spirit promotes the religious judgments, traditions and seductive philosophies of man, in many cases, as Jesus teaches, from men who call Him Lord, Lord, or that "Come in His Name, Teaching that HE is the Christ. Paul warns of this as well, concerning men who "Transform themselves" into Apostles of Christ.
Neither spirit is silent and guides those who choose to listen to them.
The "Faithful", that Paul prays for would be "them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality". Those who "yielded themselves" to God and their bodies "as instruments of righteousness unto God", "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance." Those who "put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And became renewed in the spirit of your mind; And put on the new man, which after God (not the religious traditions, judgments and philosophies of man) is created "in righteousness" and true holiness. (As defined by God, not religious men of this world)
Those who turned away from the spirit of this world, "Wherein in time past they walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
As it is written, "Be Holy for I am Holy". You would do well to look up where God made this declaration so as to better understand what His Definition of "Holy" is. As opposed to adopting the definitions promoted by this world's religious system.
And yet you promote the popular teaching of this world that Paul as a Pharisee, was zealous to walk in the commandments of God, not the commandments, traditions and judgments of man as Jesus taught. The Rich man also said he abided by all the commandments of God since his youth even after the Prophets told him, " If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;".
So clearly there is the influence of a spirit here, but not according to the knowledge of the truth, as defined by the Holy Scriptures.
This is why, in my understanding, that even though Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, (Luke 1&2) read the exact same Scriptures as the Pharisees and Scribes, they were given by God the Holy Spirit of Truth, while the Pharisees and scribes who read the exact same Scriptures, "were not thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"
As a result Zacharias and Simeon and Anna knew and believed in the Prophesied Messiah before He was even born, while the promoters of the mainstream religions of the world at that time, didn't know Jesus when HE was right in front of them.
When the influence of the spirit of this world would induced Zacharias to ponder, "Does it really matter if a man obeys God's Commandments or not"? Zacharias, like Abel, ruled over this spirit, and "Yielded Himself" a servant to obey God, as Paul teaches. While the mainstream preachers of that time, like Cain, protected and preserved the spirit, and it reigned in his mortal body.
If you believe this understanding doesn't align with Scriptures, please make the case.
I am instructed by the Holy Scriptures to discern this world's religious philosophies, and "test the spirit" that is behind them, whether they are wrought in God or not. It is not about you Carl or me. We have all been deceived, which is defined, in my understanding, as believing something about God that is not true, according to the Scriptures. Rather, it's about the religious doctrines, traditions and philosophies that are promoted by the "Many" who come in Christ's Name, that the Jesus "of the Bible" told me to "Take Heed" of.
The mainstream preachers of Jesus time, the Pharisees, were also offended when the Scriptures exposed a doctrine or tradition they promoted, that was wrought in man, and not in God. Many, as Jesus teaches, "hide from the Light" so as to preserve their traditions and philosophies. But the Faithful "SEEK the LIGHT" for the very purpose of exposing the wickedness they know dwells within them. You can read this for yourself in John 3: 19-21. But unless a man "believes" enough to become a "Doer" of the Christ's Sayings, and not a hearer only, this man's house will not stand in the storms of this life. And when this man stands before the Christ face to face in the judgment, he will see what is coming and will plead his case, "But Jesus, don't you know who we are? Why we built massive religious businesses and invested in the healthcare industry, all in your Name. We cast out demons, and got folks off drugs and a life of crime, all in your name? We created our own high days, judgments and preached to the people of this world, "all in your Name". But What is it that the Christ expects from those who Call Him Lord, Lord?
Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, 13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
So even though these men believed they were "serving the Lord", Jesus points out that they were not, but it was too late for them. I believe hE gave these warning because it isn't too late for us.
I welcome the discussion about what is written in Scriptures and discerning popular doctrines. I can't help that you might be offended by what the Scriptures actually say, but I understand because I too was offended when I first studied for myself, what is actually written.
The Jesus "of the Bible" says that all who fall on Him will be broken. That isn't a very good marketing strategy for this world's religious system to persuade folks to join and support their religions. But as Paul said, what he lost, her counted as dung.
I hope you might consider that there are 2 spirits, and choose to walk in the Spirit of God, not the spirit of this world.
Phil 3
5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.
Do you consider Paul is making a false claim here ???
If you are making the point that none are righteous apart from Jesus then this of course is correct.
What did keeping Gods Laws make Jesus? Righteous or unrighteous? Will you answer my question?That being the case, the keeping of the law in itself does not make one righteous.
1Tim 6:1,2 has nothing to do with your statement,It seems that the legalists are going out of their way put the Christian back on the bondage of the law. I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves.
“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brothers or sisters, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles. If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,”
1 Timothy 6:1-3 NASB2020
1 Timothy 6:1-3 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their maste | New American Standard Bible - N
All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their mastebible.com
So to 'call a spade a spade' you are saying I am inspired by Satan.
I am not at all surprised.
Have a great day.
Thank you for your judgement Mr. Studyman. As you know little about me and my walk with God I will leave it in the round file under my desk.
You are promoting a popular religious teaching of this world, that the Pharisees, including the "zealous ones like Saul", were "blameless" promoting "God's Laws" to the Jews, Gentile converts and Galatians.
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