The Ten Commandments

[Soyeong]

What does (Heb. 7:12 ; 9:15-17 ; 10:9,10) Mean?

The way to act in accordance with God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to do what is righteous are eternally valid. If the way to act in accordance with God's righteousness were to change when the New Covenant was made, then that would mean that God's righteousness is not eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 is not speaking about a change to the content of God's eternal law, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, but rather the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require there to be a change in the law in regard to its administration.

Likewise, sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. For example, it was sinful to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, and after it has become obsolete, so there is nothing about any of God's covenants being made or becoming obsolete that changes which actions are righteous or sinful. The only way that the New Covenant could have a different set of laws would be if it were made with a different God with a different nature and different instructions for what it looks like to express His nature.

Indeed, we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant.

 

[Nova2216]

You did not answer my question.

Although you did give me an answer.

Interesting.



(Heb. 7:12) makes the point that two things changed (not just one) when the NT covenant was established in (Acts 2).

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

#1. the priesthood being changed

#2. a change also of the law



You agree with the first 1/2 of this scripture but you disagree with the last 1/2.

This is called a buffet style religion.

It is also called rejecting truth (Jn 12:48).


You agree we are under the NT today and not the OT.

How can you make that distinction when you claim there is no difference between the two covenants?

 

[Scott Husted]

This may open a can of worms. Here we go, well when I've gone to some churches in the past trying to find things out, I would ask about the ten commandments and I had people screw their faces with immense anger and say they were nailed to the cross and that's it. Others said, "There done away with." I struggled for a great deal of time thinking why do professing Christians hate GOD's laws so much. I could not shake the ten commandments out of my thoughts when reading or listening to the Old Testament even more so when I read Isaiah 42:21
21The LORD is well pleased for His
righteousness' sake; He will exalt the
law and make it honorable.

I tried to understand this and again, tried to ask other Christians but again the same sort of remarks but this time with a dislike towards me, no more smiles and an avoidance. So, I never asked again but something in me would not let it go. Scripture was my only option and asking GOD for understanding which is always a prayer I ask. Well I believe I have eventually come to an understanding, this is my understanding.

Do I believe the ten commandments are done away with? Yes and No
Yes, I believe the ten commandments are done away with regarding earning anyone a right to salvation.
No, I do not believe the ten commandments are completely done away with but of great use in other regards. These are not just my thought.

A great many Christians believe the ten commandments are completely done away with in any form, sorry to tell you this is not what scripture informs me of. Here are passages from scripture that would say otherwise;

Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before GOD.

Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul

Galatians 3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faith has come, we are no longer under the tutor.

1 Timothy 1:8
But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully

Isaiah was right using the law in this manner to bring people to salvation in Christ is honorable, truly honorable.

If more people read scripture with an unbias doctrinal opinion they would help many more come to GOD the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

My short but hard Journey to some truth.

Peace be with all those in the body of Christ

Christian you are a child of GOD and remember;
God from the beginning CHOSE YOU for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

There is always a higher/deeper truth as opposed (but not opposed) to what was first conceived in us as to what the law of God is.

 

[Pipiripi]

God said, Christ is the END OF THE LAW, not me. (Rom. 10:4)


We learn in (Gal.6:2) we fulfill the law of Christ when we do the Lords will.


TRUE / FALSE


(Gal.6:1,2) ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

How can we fulfill the law? Jesus says till the earth and the heaven PASSED away. Do the heaven and the earth has pass away?

 

[Nova2216]

How can we fulfill the law? Jesus says till the earth and the heaven PASSED away. Do the heaven and the earth has pass away?

Jesus also said the following according to (Gal. 6:2).

Ga 6:1 ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

The apostles wrote the words Jesus according to (Jn 14:26)

TRUE / FALSE


The words "THE LAW" does not always refer to the OT Law.

There are TWO COVENANTS. (OT Law / NT Law)


Read more here.
What is the Law of Christ?

 

[Nova2216]

ChristServant,

I don’t believe the 10 commandments were set aside. Many of society’s problems are rooted in violation of these principles. They’re the framework for godly living.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

Ga 5:1 ¶ Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Notice also (Rom. 7:1-4 ; 10:4) (Eph. 2:14-17) (Col. 2:14-17) (2Cor. 3) (Heb. 7:12 ; 8:6-13 ; 9:15-17 ; 10:9,10)


Thanks

 

[Pipiripi]

Jesus also said the following according to (Gal. 6:2).

Ga 6:1 ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

The apostles wrote the words Jesus according to (Jn 14:26)

TRUE / FALSE


The words "THE LAW" does not always refer to the OT Law.

There are TWO COVENANTS. (OT Law / NT Law)


Read more here.
What is the Law of Christ?

Aslong as we are alive, we are participating in helping others to follow Jesus. The day we die, them we have fulfilled or works here on earth. The day that Jesus returns and we are going to live with Him for 1000 years, then when we come back and God destroyed the wicked and Satan and all, we don't need the 10 Commandments anymore. Only the Sabbath and the feast in the old Testament will stay forever. So look here.
Revelation 12:17 Revelation 14:12. What it say to you?
Romans 8:1-7. Look at verse 4 and 7.
What do you think of verse 7?

 

[Pipiripi]

Ga 5:1 ¶ Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Notice also (Rom. 7:1-4 ; 10:4) (Eph. 2:14-17) (Col. 2:14-17) (2Cor. 3) (Heb. 7:12 ; 8:6-13 ; 9:15-17 ; 10:9,10)


Thanks

Do you never has seen Romans 8:1-7,?
The way that you are believing now is that verse 4 is for me, and verse 7 is for you.

 

[Nova2216]

Ex 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 28 ¶ And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The 10 commandments (OT Law) was only made with the Jews. (not Gentiles)

This covenant with Israel was called the 10 commandments


The OT Law which was given by Moses was called the 10 commandments according to (Ex 34:27.28).


*In the OT (Jeremiah 31:31-34) mentions a DIFFERENT COVENANT (A New Covenant) which was to be established in the future.

This New Covenant (NT Law) will be DIFFERENT from the 10 commandments (OT Law).

Now notice (Rom. 7:1-4 ; 10:4) (Heb. 7:12 ; 8:6-13 ; 9:15-17 ; 10:9,10) (2Cor.3) (Col. 2:14-17) (Eph. 2:14-17) (Gal. 5:4).



Thanks

 

[Nova2216]

Aslong as we are alive, we are participating in helping others to follow Jesus. The day we die, them we have fulfilled or works here on earth. The day that Jesus returns and we are going to live with Him for 1000 years, then when we come back and God destroyed the wicked and Satan and all, we don't need the 10 Commandments anymore. Only the Sabbath and the feast in the old Testament will stay forever. So look here.
Revelation 12:17 Revelation 14:12. What it say to you?
Romans 8:1-7. Look at verse 4 and 7.
What do you think of verse 7?

A carnal person is not concerned with Gods Law.

He refuses to subject himself to Gods ways (Jn 12:48).

 

[Pipiripi]

Ex 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 28 ¶ And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The 10 commandments (OT Law) was only made with the Jews. (not Gentiles)

This covenant with Israel was called the 10 commandments


The OT Law which was given by Moses was called the 10 commandments according to (Ex 34:27.28).


*In the OT (Jeremiah 31:31-34) mentions a DIFFERENT COVENANT (A New Covenant) which was to be established in the future.

This New Covenant (NT Law) will be DIFFERENT from the 10 commandments (OT Law).

Now notice (Rom. 7:1-4 ; 10:4) (Heb. 7:12 ; 8:6-13 ; 9:15-17 ; 10:9,10) (2Cor.3) (Col. 2:14-17) (Eph. 2:14-17) (Gal. 5:4).



Thanks

Again, but this time I will answer only from the context of the verses.
Romans 8:4 and Romans 8:7. Which one is written for you? I have accept verse 4.
Are you in this group of people?
Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12.
Remember that Revelation 14:6-12 is speaking about our time and in the future. Answered me without going any other chapters and verses.

 

[Nova2216]

Do you never has seen Romans 8:1-7,?
The way that you are believing now is that verse 4 is for me, and verse 7 is for you.

You must understand (Jer. 31:31-34).

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


It teaches the NT Law is different from the OT Law.

One of the Laws was ABOLISHED according to (Eph. 2:14-17).

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments...

Which Law was ABOLISHED?

OT or NT

 

[Pipiripi]

A carnal person is not concerned with Gods Law.

He refuses to subject himself to Gods ways (Jn 12:48).

This is a great lie from Satan himself. Just was tempt in all things just like us. Only through Him we can live without sin.
Read Romans 8:1-7. Are you telling me that verse 4 is for me and verse 7 is for you? I think it is so, but I can help you to be as me from verse 4.
Take a look how your condition are now.
Revelation 22:10-11. I do all that I can to stay a saint. What about you?

 

[Pipiripi]

This is a great lie from Satan himself. Jesus was tempt in all things just like us. Only through Him we can live without sin.
Read Romans 8:1-7. Are you telling me that verse 4 is for me and verse 7 is for you? I think it is so, but I can help you to be as me from verse 4.
Take a look how your condition are now.
Revelation 22:10-11. I do all that I can to stay a saint. What about you?

 

[Nova2216]

Again, but this time I will answer only from the context of the verses.
Romans 8:4 and Romans 8:7. Which one is written for you? I have accept verse 4.
Are you in this group of people?
Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12.
Remember that Revelation 14:6-12 is speaking about our time and in the future. Answered me without going any other chapters and verses.

You want to limit me from using parts of Gods word.

Did I understand you correctly?

I must speak as the oracles of God. (1Peter 4:11)



Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Pipiripi]

You must understand (Jer. 31:31-34).

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


It teaches the NT Law is different from the OT Law.

One of the Laws was ABOLISHED according to (Eph. 2:14-17).

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments...

Which Law was ABOLISHED?

OT or NT

You don't even read what that I have write. You didn't answer my question. The barrier in your eyes didn't let you go read then think a little. Go see again what was my question. And answered me. WITHOUT GOING ON ANY OTHER CHAPTERS AND VERSES.

 

[Nova2216]

This is a great lie from Satan himself. Just was tempt in all things just like us. Only through Him we can live without sin.
Read Romans 8:1-7. Are you telling me that verse 4 is for me and verse 7 is for you? I think it is so, but I can help you to be as me from verse 4.
Take a look how your condition are now.
Revelation 22:10-11. I do all that I can to stay a saint. What about you?

Are you a calvinist?

 

[Pipiripi]

You want to limit me from using parts of Gods word.

Did I understand you correctly?

I must speak as the oracles of God. (1Peter 4:11)



Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Then answered my questions were I ask it.