The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

bugkiller · Mar 24, 2010

Stryder06 said:
Selfishness...tradition...some honestly just don't see it yet.

What is selfish about the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus? Why do you continue to call us grace folks rebelious and disobedient? We are not under (subject to) the law Rom 6:14, 15 (2 verses in a row, how can you miss it?) The law is a dead husband Romans 7. What do we commonly do with a dead spouce? Burry them - seems you do not grasp this fact. Gal 4:30 says very clearly to throw out the law and the bath water.

I just think you are green with jealousy about our liberty that we are to stand fast in provided by Jesus Christ that set us free from the yoke of bondage Gal 5:1.

bugkiller

IreneAdler · Mar 24, 2010

he's saying selfishness in the way that you must be like others, and practice like others, to be righteous, and if not, you must be under the law

bugkiller · Mar 24, 2010

Stryder06 said:
Perhaps. I figure it's not so much what one thinks is right, because someone has to be right, but what is right. Some people are right about some things, and some people are right about others. The bible is the answer.

So you think it is about winning the argument. No wonder your blood pressure is affected. I encourage you to try full grace and forget obligation, which you can not fully comply with. It will always leave you hungry. I used to to do the works thing and it never worked. Grace and liberty are wonderful. No it is not a license to sin Gal 5.

bugkiler

Stryder06 · Mar 24, 2010

bugkiller said:
What is selfish about the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?

What is the law of the Spirit and how does it differ from the 10. What happens if you break the law of the Spirit or is it impossible to do that?

Why do you continue to call us grace folks rebelious and disobedient?

What do you mean by "you grace folks"? You may subscribe to the popular notion that to receive grace you have to abandon the law, but I don't. I consider myself to have just as much grace as you do my brother.

We are not under (subject to) the law Rom 6:14, 15 (2 verses in a row, how can you miss it?) The law is a dead husband Romans 7. What do we commonly do with a dead spouce? Burry them - seems you do not grasp this fact. Gal 4:30 says very clearly to throw out the law and the bath water.

I see a lot of scripture trumping here. Interestingly enough you trumping the words of Christ with the words of Paul, for Christ said Heaven and Earth would pass away before a change would come to the law.

I just think you are green with jealousy about our liberty that we are to stand fast in provided by Jesus Christ that set us free from the yoke of bondage Gal 5:1.

bugkiller

Jesus said take my yoke upon you. He didn't see bothered at all with keeping the law. It wasn't bondage to Him. I'm not jealous about anything. You've convinced yourself that somehow keeping the ten commandments equates bondage. I don't. I'm free indeed. I'm am so totally interested in reading your explanation as to what the law of the Spirit is.

IreneAdler · Mar 24, 2010

(not to you stryder)

Stryder06 · Mar 24, 2010

bugkiller said:
So you think it is about winning the argument. No wonder your blood pressure is affected. I encourage you to try full grace and forget obligation, which you can not fully comply with. It will always leave you hungry. I used to to do the works thing and it never worked. Grace and liberty are wonderful. No it is not a license to sin Gal 5.

bugkiler

Its not about "winning" anything. Its about the hypocritcal nature of these discussions. How you can make all manner of accusations and false assumptions and its ok. Let someone say you're lying and all of a sudden its a flame fest and we don't know the love of God.

Take for instance you said "You tried the works thing..." and you said it as if you had something in common with me. I've NEVER tried to obtain salvation by works. I've only know freedom through Christ. Just as you said , grace isn't a license to sin, the thing is that you can't know what is wrong (sin) unless something is there to tell you what it is.

Stryder06 · Mar 24, 2010

IreneAdler said:
(not to you stryder)

My sentiments exactly.

bugkiller · Mar 24, 2010

Frogster said:
I find lawkeepers to be embarressing.

Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

I will add a hearty to our embarrassing law keeping friends or feinds. I am embarassed just as much if not more by our grace law keepers ( the overly religious folks) found in our churches. If they only knew the truth. They are just as guilty for causing the name of God to be blasphemed as the law pusher.

My heart truely breaks, just as I believe that God's does.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Mar 24, 2010

Elder 111 said:
It had nothing to do with no yearly calender. Just the weekly cycle. Jesus kept the Sabbath and the bible clearly teaches that the Sabbath was the day after His death and the day before resurrection (mat.28:1 Mar. 16:2 Luke 24:1). We have no problem with the other days why with the Sabbath?

Jesus was under the law of Moses. We are not! Romans 6:14, 15. As the SDA folks say the dead no nothing. The law has nothing to do with a dead man. This is signified in the rite of baptism Also in Roman 6. In Roman 7 the law is a dead husband. We commonly burry them. Gal 4:30 says to throw the law.

Jesus testified that the new covenant (new deal form God) is in force Mat 26:28 This is My blood of the new testament.

bugkiller

IreneAdler · Mar 24, 2010

Some people make a conscious effort not to hear what others are saying... decide to refuse to understand because it's easier and doesn't require grace and tolerance

I give up. Have fun guys.

Stryder06 · Mar 24, 2010

IreneAdler said:
Some people make a conscious effort not to hear what others are saying... decide to refuse to understand because it's easier and doesn't require grace and tolerance

I give up. Have fun guys.

That's actually a good one to go out on. I'm with you

bugkiller · Mar 24, 2010

Frogster said:
God gave us his Spirit now.Paul,speaking of himslef,or Peter,said he he went back under a law system,he would be a sinner.Gal 2;18.

So really lawkeepers are grieving the Spirit,that God gave as a better way.

2cor 3;9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.

Lawkeepers are saying they can do a better job!

Poor folks. What I get as a free gift is way mo betta than any wages I could ever hope to collect. They really think they can do better than the righteousness of God, WOW!! giggle, giggle ROFLOL!!!

bugkiller

bugkiller · Mar 24, 2010

Stryder06 said:
What is the law of the Spirit and how does it differ from the 10. What happens if you break the law of the Spirit or is it impossible to do that?

I John 1:9; 2:1 The major difference in the law of the Spirit is that It (the Spirit) rules from inside me. And that is generally what comes out. Yes I do occasionally have problemswith the flesh. That is the problem with a living scarifice Rom 12:1.

What do you mean by "you grace folks"? You may subscribe to the popular notion that to receive grace you have to abandon the law, but I don't. I consider myself to have just as much grace as you do my brother.

You grace folks do not push law keeping. It is the opposite of law pushers. You say I am anomos. I don't. I am under the law of the Spirit which is different than the law of Moses. I have covered the anomos issue with you and regularly provide at least a reference to Gal 5:16, 18 -21.

I see a lot of scripture trumping here. Interestingly enough you trumping the words of Christ with the words of Paul, for Christ said Heaven and Earth would pass away before a change would come to the law.

Luke 24:44 has no meaning to you. You seem to just throw it out. This deals with your Mat 5:17, 18 reference with the details to provide a complete understanding. You say it is verse swapping and I say it is defending the truth. An interesting thing I find is them that usually hollar are the one being bitten or are guilty as they charge.

Jesus said take my yoke upon you. He didn't see bothered at all with keeping the law. It wasn't bondage to Him. I'm not jealous about anything. You've convinced yourself that somehow keeping the ten commandments equates bondage. I don't. I'm free indeed. I'm am so totally interested in reading your explanation as to what the law of the Spirit is.

You need to meditate and think about Mat 11:28 -30 considerably. Jesus is talking to those who rest every sabbath. He is clearly not talking about physical labor. He is offering something they do not have, or He is just blowing snow. I think He is offering the rest they could not enter into as in God's rest.

The easy explaination to your last sentence is that the law of the Spirit is not the law of Moses. I have already given an other explaination which you seem to by pass. You make no comment on it and ask for more. Uncle, what gives?

bugkiller

Frogster · Mar 24, 2010

bugkiller said:
Poor folks. What I get as a free gift is way mo betta than any wages I could ever hope to collect. They really think they can do better than the righteousness of God, WOW!! giggle, giggle ROFLOL!!!

bugkiller

yupster..it is just a bunch of stankin,funky pride.

I like the was rom 2,shows how even the pagans had pride,by looking down on the lower pagans,Rom 2;1-3

Frogster · Mar 24, 2010

Stryder06 said:
Its not about "winning" anything. Its about the hypocritcal nature of these discussions. How you can make all manner of accusations and false assumptions and its ok. Let someone say you're lying and all of a sudden its a flame fest and we don't know the love of God.

Take for instance you said "You tried the works thing..." and you said it as if you had something in common with me. I've NEVER tried to obtain salvation by works. I've only know freedom through Christ. Just as you said , grace isn't a license to sin, the thing is that you can't know what is wrong (sin) unless something is there to tell you what it is.

then why did u start your "trumps" thread?

bugkiller · Mar 24, 2010

Stryder06 said:
Its not about "winning" anything. Its about the hypocritcal nature of these discussions. How you can make all manner of accusations and false assumptions and its ok. Let someone say you're lying and all of a sudden its a flame fest and we don't know the love of God.

Take for instance you said "You tried the works thing..." and you said it as if you had something in common with me. I've NEVER tried to obtain salvation by works. I've only know freedom through Christ. Just as you said , grace isn't a license to sin, the thing is that you can't know what is wrong (sin) unless something is there to tell you what it is.

One of the main problems in churches who do not technically push the law are regularly practicing necrophilia. That is they are in bed with the law while claiming to be married to another (Christ) Rom 7. They unwittingly underhandedly endorse obligation and can only support that with the OC law. They do it in every service. If you were to ask them about this, they would go what? Yep they are also lacking. WOFers are very good at it. I grew up in the church that is largely responsible for this, uh , well stuff. You get my drift? They preach performance (nothing more than works - just different approach) for maintenance of salvation. They are sly for sure.

It is just like you use John 14:15. It really is a demand for obligation to the law - works based salvation. You say I am not saved by works and say I am not saved if I don't have those demanded works. So really it is not love at all on either parties part.

Which church does not do this? I sure would like to know.

I asked God about it and the Holy Spirit immediately responded with "It is not your covenant." Yep that's a quote of the Holy Spirit.

That is part of the reason I am big on Jere 31:31 -33 and Heb 8:8 -13. Since then I found out that my income did not relate to my giving. I have made as much as $5 a minute since then. And that was after some one else skimed the cream of the top. I still give when I am inspired to give. And sometimes in big chunks.

Yes sir I used to be confused and deceived about the works thing. I still sometimes struggle with it.

bugkiller

Elder 111 · Mar 24, 2010

Frogster said:
God gave us his Spirit now.Paul,speaking of himslef,or Peter,said he he went back under a law system,he would be a sinner.Gal 2;18.

So really lawkeepers are grieving the Spirit,that God gave as a better way.

2cor 3;9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.

Lawkeepers are saying they can do a better job!

Then we should all covet, steal and murder. It will all glorify the Spirit. Do you see how stupid the idea is? The Bible never Said it, we want it to. Did not God say that none who do such would not be part of His Kingdom? 1 Cor. 6:9. Or do I have it wrong since we know better than God?:o

Elder 111 · Mar 24, 2010

Frogster said:
U dont think that since pent,there was a change?
Did all have the spirit n them prior to that?

Is it a ministry of the spirit,or flesh,trying to do it?

It says by the spirit,put to death the deeds of the body in rom 8;13.Not law,not human effort..

Law is not Human Effort!!! Law is God Requirement for those who will receive His Spirit. Would the Spirit break the law? If there is no law I should able to be full of the Spitit and Steal, perfect.

Elder 111 · Mar 24, 2010

Yekcidmij said:
It has everything to do with what calendar you are using. If you were using a biblical lunar calendar where the New Year begins on the first day of the week then your 7th day of the week isn't necessarily going to line up with Saturday on our calendar. And we don't use the same calendar system that Jesus used; and our weekly cycle is not the same as that in the bible. Our weeks, though occuring in a cycle of 7 days, do NOT line up with the weeks in the bible. If were were to use a biblical weekly cycle and a biblical way of reckoning things, then the sabbath was yesterday and today is the first day of the week (based on 1 Nisan as New Year's Day). So, in order to insist that we observe an actual biblical sabbath, it's going to be very important to make sure it's the proper day; and Saturday isn't it this year.

I don't think it matters what day you have off work and/or assemble with others to worship God. Saturday is fine. Sunday is fine. If you want to memorialize the 7th day of the week or the first day of the week, it doesn't really matter. So if you want to say that it's important to just have a day off work, but it doesn't matter what day, that's all good. Sunday is just as good as Saturday, and a lot of people have both days off anyway. But there is no command that we are to assemble on Saturday or have that day off. When God commands Moses on things concerning Sabbath, He didn't have a Gregorian Calendar in mind. You are more than welcome to commit anachronisms and make God say things about Saturday that He never said, but don't try to force that onto other believers.

Just realize that your observance of the 7th day of the Gregorian Calendar is not the same as that of the 7th day of the lunar or solar calendars of the bible; your observance is out of your own personal convictions and not out of an actual command from God.

Just know that God said the Seventh day not a day!!

Elder 111 · Mar 24, 2010

bugkiller said:
Then explain Joel 2:28 - 29 which is quoted by Peter on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:17. Grieving the Holy Spirit is a different subject.

You can say I am a lawbreaker all you want. And that would be true if the law had jurisdicrion. But since I am not under the law (Romans and Galatians) I am not breaking the law. I can't possibly break California's speed limit laws in New Mexico, Texas, Nevada, Wyoming. California has no jurisdiction there. Same exact principle.

Now if you want to argue what law(s) is to be kept, we can go there. You keep all or your selected parts of the law of Moses if you like. But as for me, my rule is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2).

Paul says to throw the law and you throw out grace. I did not say gracewas your fall back. You simply can not do without it. If you need grace you can not keep the law. Other wise you would not need grace. The law does not provide grace.

bugkiller

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: Romans 5:20. The law does not provide Grave but I need grce because of the law! When you get a break and is not charged for speeding that is grace but if there was no speed limit, there could be no charge and no need for grace. Paul Speaks of two things 1 the parts of the jewish laws that are totally irrevelant and the fact that if we live by the will of God the condemnation of the law would excape us. You may disagree but for sure we can not live as we like and call ouselves children of God. We must keep the Ten Commandments. You yourself have admitted that we can not steal muder or the like. Plaese explain how we can not do these things and still have the law abolished?:o

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