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No, I am saying your interpterion of Paul is.
Only when it goes against God's own Word, Paul can't save us only Jesus can, we are to abide and follow in Christ not anyone else. If you wish to believe God was against man at Creation that's your free will, but its not how I view our Savior who gave the Sabbath to bless and sanctify because we can't do this on our own.
Oh, oh, such loaded reaction. Nobody here claims that Paul can save us. However, I will boldly claim that we are not supposed to copy the life of Christ, because our environment is different and we are not Jews. We must follow what applies to us and Paul was the apostle to Gentiles.Only when it goes against God's own Word, Paul can't save us only Jesus can, we are to abide and follow in Christ not anyone else. If you wish to believe God was against man at Creation that's your free will, but its not how I view our Savior who gave the Sabbath to bless and sanctify because we can't do this on our own.
It doesn'tHow can God’s Word go against God’s Word?
The writings of St. Paul are divinely inspired.
Considering Paul kept every Sabbath decades at the Cross
which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Who deems what is moral and righteous, we do or God?No sense going around on the Sabbath Law again. You know I don't agree that the Church is under any obligation to observe a "Sabbath Day!"
The principle of obedience to God's Moral Law, however, I agree with. The Apostle John goes to length in 1 John to express how false Christians fail to take seriously the need to obey and become like Christ.
So let's not here tie obedience to Christ to obedience to the Law of Moses. It doesn't follow, with me, that these 2 things be tied together of necessity.
Yes, I agree we must follow the Lamb. But the Lamb died under the Law and rose up to give grace to the whole world, including Israel.
I never once said how you keep the Sabbath, I don't know you that's between you and God, all I have done is shown what the bible says how we are to keep it. I guess that why you quoted "you" instead of me saying this.I keep every Sabbath at the Cross. You should not be judging me, especially not about how I keep the Sabbath,
I am pretty sure Jesus will be our Judge, not an online forum. 2 Cor 5:10A good thing then none of us are unlearned and unstable persons who twist the Scriptures to my own destruction, then. I can confidently say the warning in 2 Peter does not apply to anyone who follows the ChristianForums Statement of Faith.
I can see in the case of Stephen (who presumably died while seeing Jesus standing) that there probably wasn't much time left for his flesh to get the better of him. So, in that sense, I agree that if we don't count the sinfulness of our own flesh against ourselves, and if there is a small enough window of time between our last sin and our physical deaths, it is possible to reach a point in life after which we sin no more.It is possible but extremely rare, historically, the exception being martyrs, since once one has confessed Jesus Christ and is about to be executed, unless one then denies Christ in an effort to avoid execution, it seems unlikely that anything one could do in that moment would be accounted as sinful; Christ has promised us that those who confess Him before men, He will confess before the Father. Because the red martyrdom as the Celtic Christians called it (which they contrasted with the White Martyrdom of Matrimony, or the Green martyrdom of monasticism, which is an appropriate use of colors, since the ancient churches in their vestments and liturgies use red to symbolize martyrdom and green to symbolize new life, and white to symbolize Holy Matrimony since it is an iconographic analog of the marriage of Christ to His Bride the Church) guarantees salvation, martyrs are automatically glorified as saints in the Orthodox Church, as are confessors, that is to say, those known to have been tortured for their faith, who did not cease to confess it despite the torture.
Outside of those cases, it is rare to find someone who had reached such a level of progress that they had conquered the passions completely in this life, and even rarer to find someone who had managed to reach a level of holiness where God saw fit to deliver them up into Heaven bodily. St. Elijah and the Theotokos are the only two definite examples the Orthodox are aware of, with St. Enoch and St. Moses also probably having been assumed, and these assumptions were, except in the case of St. Elijah, post-mortem.
You are promoting Judaism--not Christianity.Who deems what is moral and righteous, we do or God?
Do you know justice and righteous is the foundation of God's throne so what God deems righteous stays that way. Psa 119:142
Psa 89:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; loving devotion and faithfulness go before You.
This is God speaking here.....so I believe He has all authority to determine what is righteous Psa 119:172 and moral, not us. The Ten Commandments were never the Ten suggestions or optional choice. Its is God's personal Testimony Exo 31:18
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
No wonder why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 not new laws Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.
Mat 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 [c]Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also with the rest of the Scriptures."I am pretty sure Jesus will be our Judge, not an online forum. 2 Cor 5:10
God said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 not the Sabbath of the Jews. He claimed it as My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 never only the holy day of the Jews. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man and the word in Greek means mankind, in Hebrew, Adam. God made the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 when there was just man and God, no Jew. God's perfect plan before sin, before the devil hijacked this world and made a counterfeit of what God made holy and blessed. Man was made in the image of God in His likeness, God hallowed the Sabbath at Creation right after He made man in His image.You are promoting Judaism--not Christianity.
I don't believe that to be true. God said He provided the Law only for Israel--not for all the nations. Israel was, at the time, God's only chosen People.God said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 not the Sabbath of the Jews. He claimed it as My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 never only the holy day of the Jews.
I never once said how you keep the Sabbath, I don't know you that's between you and God, all I have done is shown what the bible says how we are to keep it
The Sabbath started at Creation thus saith the Lord Exo 20:11, please point out where God made Jew at Creation.I don't believe that to be true. God said He provided the Law only for Israel--not for all the nations. Israel was, at the time, God's only chosen People.
In the Ten Commandments, in the law God said the Sabbath started at Creation. Why He said "Remember" you don't remember something if never happened. He pointed in the law back to Creation when it started. Not a different SabbathThe Sabbath observance was part of the Law--not to be confused with God's Sabbath in Creation. You are confusing the 2
Israel represents God's people. If we are not grafted into God's Israel we are not part of the Promise. Why the New Covenant is still with Israel, still has God's law Heb 8:10 and we are grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-29, Rom 9:6-9 Ro, 2:28-29Israel's Sabbath Law was designed to commemorate God's Sabbath in Creation,
We need this tooand even more so to reflect the fact Israel required it to show their continuing need for final redemption.
Its a sign of God's sanctification Eze 20:12 and without it we are nothing Isa 66:17God had no such need in Creation.
Yet the inspired Word has such warning I believe we should take serious over believing God was against man at Creation which is such a sad doctrine.
not finger written by God
The 10 commandments were not the only laws of the Old Covenant. Initially the covenant that was given to the Israelites at Mt Sinai included everything God had commanded between Exodus 20 and Exodus 23.The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:
"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.""So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)
This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:
"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."
This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that instead of being written on stone, it would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.
Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:
"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"
This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:
"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”
This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.
Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law—the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).
So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are, just as they were placed inside the Ark.
Blessings
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