The sword of truth

[GodSchism]

I have not come to cast peace but a sword.
Slaying atheists with a philosophical sword.
You scientific minds think you have it all figured out. That you have philosophy all figured out. You don't know crap about philosophy. If you knew anything about philoosophy then you would know that if something is possible then it necessarily becomes true. Everything imagined is an image of truth.
If I can imagine that another 'world' or universe exists apart from this one then it is necessarily true because it can be imagined.
Science is NOT philosophy. Science is a branch of philosophy. You cannot apply science to everything you come in contact with. For instance, you cannot apply science to aesthetics.
If a unicorn or a pink elephant can be imagined as a possiblility then it becomes necessarily true.
Welcome to philosophy 101. Philosophy is the search for truth. To broaden that definition, in order to search for truth, one must be able to imagine the truth. You cannot come to truth if you cannot accept the basic principle and over-riding definition of philosophy: If something is possible then it is necessarily true. Sure you can say, it's possible for me to have red hair; but instead I have brown hair. In another possible world I have red hair; and you have a trillion dollars--so shut up.
If I can imagine that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent being exists then it is necessarily true.
But wait, here is the paradox, YOU can imagine that no God exists.
Logic. AvB(the v means or) It's either A or B. Now this concept can be applied to unicorns and pink elephants and to everything imagineable. You cannot erase an image of truth so easily. It's either AvB. Either God exists or he doesn't.
This is easily solved when you apply it to the supreme question: Something exists or nothing exists. AvB. obviously nothing cannot exist because something exists; therefore B as an image of truth is ruled out. There is your burden of proof. Paradox solved.
It's called logic. And don't tell me I don't know my logic or philosophy because that is what I went to college for; so I know at least a little something about what I am talking about.
Whoever picks up this sword shall fall under it.
Soon the imagination is sparked as a man ticks off the possibilities.

Creatures of habit, I have no respect for your kind.
Choking the life from you with my bare hands.

 

[us38]

If you knew anything about philoosophy then you would know that if something is possible then it necessarily becomes true. Everything imagined is an image of truth.

Just because you say many, many times does not make it true. Would you care to prove it?

 

[The Nihilist]

I have imagined a flying pink unicorn that takes me to work everyday and poops ice cream. Present it to me, Godschism, and I will take you seriously.

 

[GodSchism]

Just because you say many, many times does not make it true. Would you care to prove it?

This is pure philosophy. If you don't know this then you never took a philosophy class or you were sitting around twittling your thumbs. I can prove it.
If something is possible then it is necessarily true.
Philosophers once thought science was possible now it is proven true. Everything once imagined is now proven true.

Creatures of habit, I have no respect for your kind.
Choking the life from you with my bare hands.

 

[GodSchism]

I have imagined a flying pink unicorn that takes me to work everyday and poops ice cream. Present it to me, Godschism, and I will take you seriously.

In another possible world it becomes true because it can be imagined. Just because it does not exist in this world does not mean it does not exist in another world.
Like Jesus says, in seeing you do not see and in hearing you do not hear.
Listen in philosophy, pure philosophy, people ask ridiculous questions like this. If you can imagine how a unicorn can poop ice cream then it becomes an image of truth. But if you cannot imagine how a unicorn can poop icecream then it is not image of truth.
Listen, something exists or nothing exists. I think therefore I am. I exist, at least I know that much; therefore nothing cannot exist because at least, I exist.
How can nothing exist when I can observe that something exists. Nothing has no form and no word to describe it. You can then say in another possible universe nothing exists; but then you just contradicted yourself because you already gave nothing form, saying that in another world, nothing exists. The form you gave is another world. Therefore, something exists in that world, what we would call a vaccuum! In that world, it has a boundary because the vacuum does not exceed into other worlds.
The universe is a microcosm of other dimensions. You know that there is a vacuum of space between other worlds; but it is not a complete vaccuum as dust and particles fill the void, leaving that vaccuum full of particles and atoms. It is evident right there, that nothing cannot exist. Where ever there is nothing there is always something to fill it's void. If you can imagine a world where nothing exists, it would only exist as a point; as it is evident--where ever there is nothing it is always contained by something, matter or energy.
Have you ever heard the saying, that anything is possible. What you fail to realize is that all things come from the imagination. Imagination becomes reality. Take a tree for example. I can imagine a tree because I know what one looks like. If it can be placed in the imagination then it can also be made manifest through the imagination into reality. It is not possible that the world imagined itself because as I pointed out, nothing cannot exist. If the world imagined itself then it imagined itself out of nothing--that is not possible.
Soon, if one were to take this stone of pure philosophy that I have to offer then ones' imagination would soon have faith in everything that can be imagined. Don't take the world as being so dry. Wouldn't it be lovely if one day you could imagine yourself confronted with a unicorn or pink elephant? Mythological creatures are necessarily true because they can be made manifest through the imagination. That is where everything comes from, the imagination.
Recently, scientists discovered that the universe is still expanding. This proves my point because if nothing exists outside the boundaries of the universe then the force of creation is proving to fill that void.
On a further note, if I cannot imagine a square-triangle then it is not possible and therefore becomes a falsehood.

 

[us38]

I can prove it.

Then, by all means, do so.

If something is possible then it is necessarily true.
Philosophers once thought science was possible now it is proven true. Everything once imagined is now proven true.

This is quite a blanket statement. Prove it. Even if this was true, it would only show that results are consistent with your hypothesis, not that it is true.

 

[GodSchism]

Then, by all means, do so.



This is quite a blanket statement. Prove it. Even if this was true, it would only show that results are consistent with your hypothesis, not that it is true.

I just did. You are too blind to see it. Everything imagined becomes possible; and that which is possible becomes necessarily true. I gave you an example of how this works so you can have solid proof. Science was once imagined possbile. Through the possibility of science it has now been proven true.
If you are too blind to see the relevance of my example then that is your problem, not mine.

 

[The Nihilist]

Barf.

 

[us38]

I gave you an example of how this works so you can have solid proof.

Examples aren't proof. For one so (self-proclaimed to be) versed in philosophy, it's said that you don't realize it.

However, I grow tired of this, so I will offer a disproof.

1. Premise: Everything that is possible is necessarily true.
2. Premise: It is possible that p is true.
3. Premise: It is possible that ~p is true.
4. p is true (from 1 and 2).
5. ~p is true (from 1 and 3).
6. 4 and 5 are contradictory.
7. Either 1, 2, or 3 is false (from 6).
8. Neither 2 nor 3 can a priori be assumed false.
9. It is impossible to prove either 2 or 3 is a posteriori false.
10. 1 must be false (from 7, 8, and 9).

Pretty good for not having had any philosophy classes, don't you think?

 

[loudatheist101]

Hey, do faries exist? Do we have proof they do not exist? Do we have proof your god does not exist? No. But we have evidence. And you have NONE. Oh, excuse me, you have a story book talking about it. Oh, and we do not have everything firgured out like you claim, we just discover more and more evidence against superstition. One day, we may proove your god to be superstition just like we have done with Mayan gods, Greek gods, Native American gods, Aztec Gods, faries, goblins, etc!

 

[Lord_Marx]

I believe that GodSchism has no idea what is is talking about. Therefor it must be true.

I also have a good idea about what universe a GodSchism that does not know what he is talking about exists in.

 

[loudatheist101]

Hey, do faries exist? Do we have proof they do not exist? Do we have proof your god does not exist? No. But we have evidence. And you have NONE. Oh, excuse me, you have a story book talking about it. Oh, and we do not have everything firgured out like you claim, we just discover more and more evidence against superstition. One day, we may proove your god to be superstition just like we have done with Mayan gods, Greek gods, Native American gods, Aztec Gods, faries, goblins, etc!

Lol I agree. Anyway, just posting back what I said before on this page.

 

[Lisa0315]

This is pure philosophy. If you don't know this then you never took a philosophy class or you were sitting around twittling your thumbs. I can prove it.
If something is possible then it is necessarily true.
Philosophers once thought science was possible now it is proven true. Everything once imagined is now proven true.

Creatures of habit, I have no respect for your kind.
Choking the life from you with my bare hands.

I am sure that your motives are such that you desire to show atheists the folly of not believing in God. However, you will never ever win anyone with philosophy, nor with apologetics. Think on this one thing. What is the first commandment from our Lord? Then, the second? How can you do the second without the first?

The answer is not found in the wisdom of the world, but in the foolishness of the cross. You are attempting to use the world to save the world. This is not the way that Jesus demonstrated for us.

Lisa

 

[Squeejie]

two words for you Schism, cat scan. did you copy and paste from your online philosophy lessons? you said that you come armed with a sword, but i think you grabbed someone else's rusty sword. Philosophy may be the search for truth, but it's not absolute truth. it's like saying Google has all the answers, cuz it doesn't. it just leads you to the answers.

 

[loudatheist101]

Schism, you are the type of people that give Christains a bad name. Read your own gospel. "Love thy neighbor" should be written in it. It says "love thy neighbor" not "choke the life from people that have different beliefs then you do". You are a hypocrit. You have no respect and want to kill certain people because they do not agree with you religiously. Wow.

 

[loudatheist101]

Schism, as a non Christain, you are the type of people that give all Christains a bad name. Just because some people do not agree with your religious beleifs, you automatically have no respect for them no matter how kind they may be, and you want to choke the life out of them. Too bad for you.

 

[loudatheist101]

Oh sorry, I didn't know the last post worked! This internet is acting weird sorry.

 

[The Nihilist]

I think Godschism's entire argumentation strategy is to throw more words at us than we can throw at him. You're going about this the wrong way, Godschism! Short and pithy wins the race! Everyone remembers that God is dead, and that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and no one remembers a thing Kierkegaard said. Don't wind up like Kierkegaard, that is to say, a sickly Danish pariah who died a virgin at 35.
I think that's the first time in my life I've ever made fun of Kierkegaard.

 

[The Nihilist]

Schism, as a non Christain, you are the type of people that give all Christains a bad name. Just because some people do not agree with your religious beleifs, you automatically have no respect for them no matter how kind they may be, and you want to choke the life out of them. Too bad for you.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's a gnostic, rather than a Christian. They're kind of all like this.

 

[GodSchism]

Examples aren't proof. For one so (self-proclaimed to be) versed in philosophy, it's said that you don't realize it.

However, I grow tired of this, so I will offer a disproof.

1. Premise: Everything that is possible is necessarily true.
2. Premise: It is possible that p is true.
3. Premise: It is possible that ~p is true.
4. p is true (from 1 and 2).
5. ~p is true (from 1 and 3).
6. 4 and 5 are contradictory.
7. Either 1, 2, or 3 is false (from 6).
8. Neither 2 nor 3 can a priori be assumed false.
9. It is impossible to prove either 2 or 3 is a posteriori false.
10. 1 must be false (from 7, 8, and 9).

Pretty good for not having had any philosophy classes, don't you think?

Listen, you complicate logic further than it has to be complicated.
Unicorns exist or they don't.
The same logic can be applied to something exists or it doesn't.
Unicorns exist or they don't.
Something exists or nothing exists.
nothing cannot exist.
Since nothing cannot exist, that leaves the possibility that unicorns exist.
If something is possible then it becomes necessarily true because out of possibility they can exist. It is not a matter if they exist in this world. If something is necessarily true in another world, then it becomes possible in this world.