The Sure

[Minister Monardo]

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Isaiah 55:3. Incline your ear and come unto me, hear and your soul shall live and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the steadfast love I promised unto the house of David.

This promise is found in 2 Samuel:
2 Samuel 7:12-15. When your days are fulfilled and you sleep with the fathers, I will set up your seed after you and I will establish his kingdom. He will build a house for my name and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever, and I will be his Father and he will be my son. If he commits iniquity I will chasten him with the rod of men and stripes of the children of men. But my mercy will not depart from him as I took from Saul who I removed before you.

This was presented to the church in Acts 13.
Acts 13:32-34. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God has fulfilled the same unto us their children in that He has raised up Jesus again, as it is written in the second psalm, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you, (Psalms 2:7.) And as concerning that He raised him up from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He said: "I will give you the sure mercies of David."

The covenant of the sure mercies of David is a covenant of parental correction unto the perfection of obedience. What you have done is not what is important but how you respond to God’s correction. We must look for his approval in all things. This doctrine is discussed in Hebrews 12 and is based on 2 Samuel 7.

Hebrews 12:6. For whom the Lord loves he chastens and scourges every son whom he receives.

Consider this house of David known as Ephrathites.
Ephrathah was a Hebrew woman who became the wife of Caleb, the faithful servant to Moses. Caleb was not a Hebrew, but is identified as a Kenizzite.
Caleb was granted the region of Hebron by Moses for his faithful witness with Joshua after the scouting expedition.
The city of Bethlehem Ephrathah was the city of Joseph and the birthplace of the Messiah. David ruled from Hebron for seven years until the elders of Israel came and acknowledged him as their king.
David’s grandmother was Ruth the Moabite.
The line of Caleb is listed in the Chronicle genealogies with the tribe of Judah by a process known as grafting in, the same terminology Paul uses in Romans 11 to describe the gentile relationship to natural Israel.
Through the house of David the wall of partition between Jew and gentile is broken down and finds fulfillment in Christ Jesus.
For all the promises of God are yes and amen in Christ. (2 Co 1:20.)

Luke 1:31-33. Behold, you shall conceive and bring forth a son and shall call him Jesus. He shall be exalted and called the Son of the Highest and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David, and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Isaiah 9:6&7. For unto us a child is born unto a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder.... Of the increase of his government and peace no end upon the throne of David...the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The one true church is the house of David and the Lord Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of the throne of majesty to fulfill all righteousness.
Peter informs us that heaven has received Him until the restoration of all things spoken of by all the holy prophets since the world began. (Peter’s sermon from Acts 3:12-26.)
The restoration of all things refers to the throne of David in Israel.
This process will not be complete until the end of the final day (1000 years).

Ezekiel 34:23-31. And I will set up one shepherd over them and he shall feed them, my servant David, he shall feed them and he shall be their shepherd. And I the Lord shall be their God and David a prince among them. I the Lord have spoken it and I will make with them a covenant of peace.

Ezekiel 37:24-28. And David my servant shall be king over them and they shall all have one shepherd over them...and they shall dwell in the land I have given to Jacob my servant... and David shall be their prince forever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, an everlasting covenant...and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

The covenant of peace (berit shalom, also translated covenant of friendship), was originally bestowed on the house of Phineas, the son of Eleazar, in Numbers 25:10-13; and will be granted to all Israel, in Israel, at the end of the age.

Now consider the most referenced Old Testament passage in the New Testament to bring all this to a fine point. In the gospels Jesus proposes the question concerning the Christ: Whose son is he? The teachers responded that he is the son of David. Jesus then silences them with this statement.
Matthew 22:41-46. How is it that David in spirit calls him Lord saying The Lord said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool (Psalm 110), if David calls him Lord, how is he his son?
This Psalm is also referenced by Peter in Acts 2:33-35.
In the letter to the Hebrews we find another reference:

Hebrews 10:12-14. But this man after he had offered one sacrifice for sin forever sat down at the right hand of God, from henceforth expecting until his enemies are made his footstool.

Most importantly, follow Paul’s explanation of the final restitution of all things:

1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Then comes the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For He has put all things under his feet. But when he says all things are under him it is clear that the exception is He that put all things under him. And when all things are subdued under him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put everything under him, that God may be all, in all.

Note that the Son is subject to God the Father.
The perceived equality between the Son and Father is based on the equality of granted authority.
This is foreshadowed in Genesis 41 pertaining to the relationship between Joseph and Pharaoh.
Genesis 41:40-44. You shall be over my house and according unto your word shall all my people be ruled, only in the throne will I be greater than you.

To serve Joseph was to serve Pharaoh, to dishonor Joseph was to dishonor Pharaoh.
Compare this to the self-testimony of Jesus in John 5.

John 5:22&23. For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son; that all should honor the Son as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son honors not the Father who sent him. (Doctrine of Christ).

This is the final restitution of all things spoken of by the prophets by the Spirit of Christ that was in them.
The time of the gentiles will soon be fulfilled as the fullness of the gentiles is a finite point in time.
The end of the age and the new heaven and new earth and the everlasting righteousness of the kingdom of God and Christ comes after all his enemies are under his feet, and the final enemy is death.
In the millennial kingdom of the house of David, people live long prosperous lives, but not eternal lives.

Isaiah 65:20. One who dies at 100 will be as if a child, but a sinner of 100 years will know they are cursed.
During the 1000 year reign the law of God will be enforced from Jerusalem and the word of God will come forth from mount Zion. (Isaiah 2:3.)
And after these 1000 years there will be one final rebellion.
Sin will continue during the millennium and will be dealt with by the law.
Satan will be bound and man will know that there is a sin nature in him that cannot be blamed on “the devil made me do it”.
Sinners will chafe under the law of God for 1000 years.
This is foreshadowed in the Old Testament, for after the glorious 40 year reign of Solomon, a kingdom like no other on earth, the people rebelled, complaining of the severity of his reign.

Isaiah 33:14. The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burning?”
These everlasting covenants are without respect of persons. The terms are final.

Hebrews 6:16. For men in truth swear by one greater, and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

This refers to the role of Jesus Christ as the mediator between God and man.
When the terms of the mediation are accepted, there is no more negotiations.
Any other gospel is cursed.

Hebrews 13:20&21. Now the God of peace that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the everlasting covenant make you perfect in every good work to do His Will, working in you that which is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Acts shows that the Gospel scope has moved to the Gentiles at the 'uttermost parts of the earth'.

 

[ralliann]

The line of Caleb is listed in the Chronicle genealogies with the tribe of Judah by a process known as grafting in,
the same terminology Paul uses in Romans 11 to describe the gentile relationship to natural Israel.

Where is this process of grafting found in the Chronicles? That would be an interesting read.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Where is this process of grafting found in the Chronicles? That would be an interesting read.

It is described in the rabbinic commentary for Numbers published by the Jewish Publication Society, Rabbi Jacob Milgrom. Caleb is identified in the scriptures as a Kenizite. Because of his faithful witness with Joshua after the scouting expedition into the land, Moses promised him an inheritance, which was fulfilled by Joshua. In the Chronicles, he is listed as a part of the tribe of Judah, because his land was among them. He married a Jewish woman named Ephrathah, and they are the ancestors of David, specifically through Boaz and Ruth.
Caleb is grafted in as a son of Hezron in 1 Chronicles, beginning at verse 18. The timelines are incongruous with the time of Caleb.

 

[ralliann]

It is described in the rabbinic commentary for Numbers published by the Jewish Publication Society, Rabbi Jacob Milgrom.

So it is not found in the scripture. And I am assuming it is not found even in the Talmudic literature? Rather a more recent Rabbinic commentary.

Caleb is identified in the scriptures as a Kenizite. Because of his faithful witness with Joshua after the scouting expedition into the land, Moses promised him an inheritance, which was fulfilled by Joshua. In the Chronicles, he is listed as a part of the tribe of Judah, because his land was among them. He married a Jewish woman named Ephrathah, and they are the ancestors of David, specifically through Boaz and Ruth.
Caleb is grafted in as a son of Hezron in 1 Chronicles, beginning at verse 18. The timelines are incongruous with the time of Caleb.

Well all I see in 1 chronicles is Chelubai the son of Hezron. Chelubai or Caleb.
9 The sons also of Hezron, that were born unto him; Jerahmeel, and Ram, and Chelubai. {Ram: Gr. Aram } {Chelubai: or, Caleb }
This is the Son of tamar and Judah? the son of Hezron? The Caleb a kenizzite was long before this Caleb. Something is confused here or maybe I missed something?
4 And Tamar his daughter in law bare him Pharez and Zerah. All the sons of Judah were five.
5 The sons of Pharez; Hezron, and Hamul.
9 The sons also of Hezron, that were born unto him; Jerahmeel, and Ram, and Chelubai. {Ram: Gr. Aram } {Chelubai: or, Caleb }
Besides any Gentile deciding to sojourn among the Israelites and marry a jewess and circumcizes his sons (I am sure himself as well) becomes listed among the tribe they are accepted into

 

[Minister Monardo]

The discrepancies and diverging opinions on Caleb are vast. Just Google Caleb Bible and see the list. Even if Caleb as a Gentile is dismissed, there is the matter of David, son of Jesse, son of Obed, son of Boaz and his Moabite wife Ruth. The House of David were outsiders, He ruled from Hebron for 7 years before the elders of Israel came to him and acknowledged him. There is one fact that none of the literature that I have surveyed brings up, so I will raise it here:
Zechariah 12:7. The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
Interesting prophecy.
Messiah establishes the throne of David and fulfills God's covenant promises to him. The facts bear out, because the apostolic message from Paul and confirmed by Peter is that the promises of God are for the Jew first, and also the Gentile. This has been foreshadowed since the Exodus, for Moses did not just lead out the children of Israel, but also a 'mixed multitude' that followed with them. A significant amount of evidence points to the fact that Caleb was one of them.

 

[ralliann]

The discrepancies and diverging opinions on Caleb are vast. Just Google Caleb Bible and see the list.

I am simply going by what the text says. Caleb in 1 chronicles is the son of Hezron.
Even if Caleb as a Gentile is dismissed, there is the matter of David, son of Jesse, son of Obed, son of Boaz and his Moabite wife Ruth.

Because she had no children when her husband died she is not obligated as a Jewess. To marry into her husbands kinsman. She decides to do that by her faith. So Ruth as a moabitess is not a conundrum either. This is about circumcision period. Any Gentile can enter into tribal inheritance through marriage and child bearing, because of circumcision of their children or selves.
Not a Jewess woman here.
Moses wife.
Ex 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. {sharp … : or, knife } {cast … : Heb. made it touch }
Ex 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

I am simply going by what the text says in the genalogy

 

[Minister Monardo]

Because she had no children when her husband died she is not obligated as a Jewess. To marry into her husbands kinsman. She decides to do that by her faith. So Ruth as a moabitess is not a conundrum either. This is about circumcision period. Any Gentile can enter into tribal inheritance through marriage and child bearing, because of circumcision of their children or selves.
Not a Jewess woman here.
Moses wife.
Ex 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. {sharp … : or, knife } {cast … : Heb. made it touch }
Ex 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

I am simply going by what the text says in the genalogy

This is good. I wasn't trying to create a conundrum with Ruth. On the contrary, I was trying to show that Gentiles have been in the mix all along. You adding Zipporah adds to that point. The reason for the focus on David's lineage of course is in regard to Messiah. The prophecy wasn't to Bethlehem Zipporah, but to Bethlehem Ephrathah. A clearly Jewish-Gentile house. The covenant with David was for us all. The Gospel includes the Gentiles. I was showing that this was in the narrative all along.

 

[ralliann]

This is good. I wasn't trying to create a conundrum with Ruth. On the contrary, I was trying to show that Gentiles have been in the mix all along. You adding Zipporah adds to that point. The reason for the focus on David's lineage of course is in regard to Messiah. The prophecy wasn't to Bethlehem Zipporah, but to Bethlehem Ephrathah. A clearly Jewish-Gentile house. The covenant with David was for us all. The Gospel includes the Gentiles. I was showing that this was in the narrative all along.

The only issue I have here is your focus. There is no Jewish Gentile house IMO. The children born of a Gentile woman are not Jewish unless she is married to a Jew, . She remains their mother but they continue as sons of their fathers tribe and "house". The same with a Gentile male, he remains Gentile until he becomes circumcised, he marries into a tribe of the Jewess or her fathers house. No Gentile houses mixed in there.
Consider this...
Machir, No sons for heirs, so it goes to the daughters...

Numbers 36:1 And the chief fathers of the families of the children of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of the sons of Joseph, came near, and spake before Moses, and before the princes, the chief fathers of the children of Israel:
2 And they said, The LORD commanded my lord to give the land for an inheritance by lot to the children of Israel: and my lord was commanded by the LORD to give the inheritance of Zelophehad our brother unto his daughters.
3 And if they be married to any of the sons of the other tribes of the children of Israel, then shall their inheritance be taken from the inheritance of our fathers, and shall be put to the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received: so shall it be taken from the lot of our inheritance.
4 And when the jubile of the children of Israel shall be, then shall their inheritance be put unto the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received: so shall their inheritance be taken away from the inheritance of the tribe of our fathers.

So what to do with these jewess as heirs?
Well, they would only marry inside the tribe of their father.....

5 And Moses commanded the children of Israel according to the word of the LORD, saying, The tribe of the sons of Joseph hath said well.
6 This is the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry. {marry: Heb. be wives }
7 So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers. {keep … : Heb. cleave to the, etc }
8 And every daughter, that possesseth an inheritance in any tribe of the children of Israel, shall be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy every man the inheritance of his fathers.
9 Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe; but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.

 

[ralliann]

The only issue I have here is your focus. There is no Jewish Gentile house IMO. The children born of a Gentile woman are not Jewish unless she is married to a Jew, . She remains their mother but they continue as sons of their fathers tribe and "house". The same with a Gentile male, he remains Gentile until he becomes circumcised, he marries into a tribe of the Jewess or her fathers house. No Gentile houses mixed in there.
Consider this...
Machir, No sons for heirs, so it goes to the daughters...

Numbers 36:1 And the chief fathers of the families of the children of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of the sons of Joseph, came near, and spake before Moses, and before the princes, the chief fathers of the children of Israel:
2 And they said, The LORD commanded my lord to give the land for an inheritance by lot to the children of Israel: and my lord was commanded by the LORD to give the inheritance of Zelophehad our brother unto his daughters.
3 And if they be married to any of the sons of the other tribes of the children of Israel, then shall their inheritance be taken from the inheritance of our fathers, and shall be put to the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received: so shall it be taken from the lot of our inheritance.
4 And when the jubile of the children of Israel shall be, then shall their inheritance be put unto the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received: so shall their inheritance be taken away from the inheritance of the tribe of our fathers.

So what to do with these jewess as heirs?
Well, they would only marry inside the tribe of their father.....

5 And Moses commanded the children of Israel according to the word of the LORD, saying, The tribe of the sons of Joseph hath said well.
6 This is the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry. {marry: Heb. be wives }
7 So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers. {keep … : Heb. cleave to the, etc }
8 And every daughter, that possesseth an inheritance in any tribe of the children of Israel, shall be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy every man the inheritance of his fathers.
9 Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe; but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.

Ac 16:3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

Paul was a benjamite I believe??? Timothy's mother and perhaps grandmother were accepted into Pauls tribe, as his natural father was a Greek. Their kinsman redeemer???? Perhaps even bestowing Roman citizenship?
Ac 22:26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.
Ac 22:27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Minister Monardo]

There is no Jewish Gentile hous

In Christ! To the Jew first, also the Gentile. My focus is that this Truth was foreshadowed throughout the narrative of scripture. That's all.
Luke 1:32. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.

 

[ralliann]

In Christ! To the Jew first, also the Gentile. My focus is that this Truth was foreshadowed throughout the narrative of scripture. That's all.
Luke 1:32. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.

I was speaking about the mix you presented in the line of David under the law. I don't mean to offend truly.

 

[Minister Monardo]

I was speaking about the mix you presented in the line of David under the law. I don't mean to offend truly.

No offense taken. I was not concerned with whether or not the Law would have had an issue. Just showing the foreshadowing of what we know now with regard to God's plan for the Gentiles. I believe that everything that took place was consistent with the Law. The covenant of the sure mercies of David is consistent with God's priority of election that Paul speaks about in Romans. I feel like we are in agreement, but somehow there is a hitch. I have to take responsibility, if the essay lacked that clarity. The apology is mine.

 

[ralliann]

I was speaking about the mix you presented in the line of David under the law. I don't mean to offend truly.

Another consideration concerning a woman and her children bringing her tribal status through her husband
The daughter of a priest could eat from her fathers table (holy things of the priestly offerings and gifts) while in her fathers house. but when she marries rules apply.
Marrying into a stranger (tribe estranged) from the priesthood could no longer eat from his table. But if she were widowed and returned she could eat of (the holy things) of her fathers table. Unless....she has children they cannot eat for they are strangers.
stranger here is not speaking of Gentiles, but anyone not of the tribe of Levi the priesthood.
Ex 29:33 And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger shall not eat thereof, because they are holy.
Le 22:10 There shall no stranger eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing.
Le 22:12 If the priest’s daughter also be married unto a stranger, she may not eat of an offering of the holy things. {a stranger: Heb. a man a stranger }
Le 22:13 But if the priest’s daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father’s house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father’s meat: but there shall no stranger eat thereof.
This too has to do with inheritance because all the tithe and gifts as well as the priesthood are the inheritance of the levites