The Sumerian Flood Narrative

[Split Rock]

How about the Wall Street Journal? Are you the only person in America NOT TO KNOW about the fraud?
How about the New York Times?
Typical liberal response- ignore the facts, attack the messenger. Sorry. The whole world knows about the fraud recorded in the hacked e-mails.

Typical Fundie- Right Wing response- cherry pick from dated material and pretend that the scientific consensus is in question. And the whole world, except you, knows this was investigated and No one was found guilty of any wrong-doing.

 

[Dieselman]

Typical Fundie- Right Wing response- cherry pick from dated material and pretend that the scientific consensus is in question. And the whole world, except you, knows this was investigated and No one was found guilty of any wrong-doing.

If you want to believe that cow flatulance and people exhaling are destructive to the environment, go ahead. Just don't expect the rest of us to give credibility to the LIE of global warming.

 

[freezerman2000]

I see this thread going way off topic, unless global warming caused the Biblical flood!

 

[Split Rock]

I see this thread going way off topic, unless global warming caused the Biblical flood!

Hey why not? Your guess is as good as Dieselman's! He knows all about "cow flatulance" afterall!

You are right about going off-track, however... so I will be done will global warming here... in fact, I will be done with Dieselman, period. He has no interest in anything but flamming, so I am adding him to my Ignore list.

 

[freezerman2000]

Hey why not? Your guess is as good as Dieselman's! He knows all about "cow flatulance" afterall!

You are right about going off-track, however... so I will be done will global warming here... in fact, I will be done with Dieselman, period. He has no interest in anything but flamming, so I am adding him to my Ignore list.

give Split Rock a point!

 

[Dieselman]

Hey why not? Your guess is as good as Dieselman's! He knows all about "cow flatulance" afterall!

You are right about going off-track, however... so I will be done will global warming here... in fact, I will be done with Dieselman, period. He has no interest in anything but flamming, so I am adding him to my Ignore list.

"Typical Fundie- Right Wing response-"
Fundie is a term used by FSTD trolls, by the way..
It's not surprising that one of "them" would still believe in Global warming despite a wealth of scientific evidence to the contrary, but like evidence that is in conflict with evolution or evidence that conflicts with the presumption that the Great Flood was a local event, nothing that casts shadows on their pre-conceived believes has validity.

Perhaps he didn't know that cow flatulance (methane) has been called a source of greenhouse gasses or that carbon dioxide is a natural byproduct of respiration. Regardless, it's amazing how many people believe that science and natural law are the ultimate ruling forces in the world. The fact is that God's law trumps natural law every time. Every society has a record of a global flood, and yet it's all supposed to be copied stories from whoever made it up first. Most of us would take that as a pretty good indication that the flood happened, but since evolution couldn't possibly happen in a few thousand years it MUST be false.

 

[TLK Valentine]

"Typical Fundie- Right Wing response-"
Fundie is a term used by FSTD trolls, by the way..
It's not surprising that one of "them" would still believe in Global warming despite a wealth of scientific evidence to the contrary, but like evidence that is in conflict with evolution or evidence that conflicts with the presumption that the Great Flood was a local event, nothing that casts shadows on their pre-conceived believes has validity.

Perhaps he didn't know that cow flatulance (methane) has been called a source of greenhouse gasses or that carbon dioxide is a natural byproduct of respiration.

Perhaps you didn't know that something that happens naturally can be made worse artificially. As much as I understand the fatalism of most religious thinking, it's depressing to see it on such a scale.

Regardless, it's amazing how many people believe that science and natural law are the ultimate ruling forces in the world. The fact is that God's law trumps natural law every time.

Only problem is, God hasn't laid down any laws -- all we have are a lot of men in funny robes who've made comfortable living for themselves telling us that He has.

Every society has a record of a global flood, and yet it's all supposed to be copied stories from whoever made it up first.

Actually, many of them are independent stories based on local floods, which share the notion of a cultural hero saving the day.

Most of us would take that as a pretty good indication that the flood happened, but since evolution couldn't possibly happen in a few thousand years it MUST be false.

Right -- because we already know that life has existed for a lot more than a few thousand years, with no such genetic bottleneck that one would have to see if such a catastrophe occurred.

Second, we can look at the Genesis story itself to see not a single flood narrative, but two separate versions of the same story woven together -- odd when a culture can't even decide which version is truth, and decides to run with both.

 

[SkyWriting]

Very true -- so would you kindly direct me to the storyteller who emphasized Mary's childhood in Jerusalem? Because I can already assure you, it's not in the Bible.

I've never heard of it.
So no, I won't do your homework work for you this time.

 

[SkyWriting]

It does tend to establish a pattern --

Nope.
You can't just randomly pick stories from across thousands of years and claim a pattern.
It takes more work than that to establish a link or commonality.

 

[SkyWriting]

The dates in the Bible are very easy to follow from Adam to Abraham. Clearly Adam lived with Eve in the Garden of Eden around 6,000 years ago.

Anything so clear and important should be a direct statement found in the New Testament.
Any reason you didn't link to said information?

 

[SkyWriting]

Right -- because we already know that life has existed for a lot more than a few thousand years, with no such genetic bottleneck that one would have to see if such a catastrophe occurred.

Second, we can look at the Genesis story itself to see not a single flood narrative, but two separate versions of the same story woven together

Perhaps your "bottleneck" math is off.

 

[freezerman2000]

Population Bottlenecks and Pleistocene Human Evolution

 

[SkyWriting]

Of course, just because it says all life was wiped out doesn't mean all life was wiped out...

Well, the idea is not that God saves a handful and those in New Orleans and other low areas are too sinful.

 

[SkyWriting]

Population Bottlenecks and Pleistocene Human Evolution

"Such an event would be expected to leave a significant mark across numerous genetic loci and observable anatomical traits. "

As I stated, when you assume something about past events or how God works, you're not always correct.

Each moment that passes reduces the odds of being correct
and increases the illusion that one is correct. The older the
data, the greater the deception.

 

[freezerman2000]

Toba Volcano, ch. 1 - Introduction
Wanna bet that that when the monster that Toba is, blows it's top,Human civilization will be toast and we will have another genetic bottleneck?I sure don't want to be around when it erupts!

 

[freezerman2000]

"Such an event would be expected to leave a significant mark across numerous genetic loci and observable anatomical traits. "

As I stated, when you assume something about past events or how God works, you're not always correct.

Each moment that passes reduces the odds of being correct
and increases the illusion that one is correct. The older the
data, the greater the deception.

Problem is, Literalists ASSUME that Genesis is scientifically sound,trying to tell us how God works.

..it isn't because it does not delve into the processes involved.

Your statement is a double edged sword.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Perhaps your "bottleneck" math is off.

Perhaps you'd like to show some accurate numbers?

 

[TLK Valentine]

"Such an event would be expected to leave a significant mark across numerous genetic loci and observable anatomical traits. "

As I stated, when you assume something about past events or how God works, you're not always correct.

Right, because God actually didn't kill every living thing except for two (or was it seven? Darn those conflated accounts!) of every animal, reducing the genetic loci to nearly nil.

Wherever would we have gotten the idea that he did?

Each moment that passes reduces the odds of being correct
and increases the illusion that one is correct. The older the
data, the greater the deception.

Which is why you choose to go without data, amirite?

 

[SkyWriting]

Problem is, Literalists ASSUME that Genesis is scientifically sound,trying to tell us how God works.

..it isn't because it does not delve into the processes involved.

Your statement is a double edged sword.

I agree. Many seem to be misguided by assuming science theory is more "literal" than really it is.

 

[SkyWriting]

Right, because God actually didn't kill every living thing except for two ...of every animal, reducing the genetic loci to nearly nil...

The odds of the story being one of strictly local impact are small.
The lesson to be learned would be to avoid that area.