The stumbling block for atheists.

[AV1611VET]

Some related questions - if it were only about evidence why are there so many contradictory religious beliefs?

Because the god of this world is the father of lies.

And why do those beliefs seem to be best correlated to where one happened to be born?

Like father, like son.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is quite interesting how this thread is filled with posters who claims to know the secret motivations of vast groups of people ... and who also can't manage to read the Faith: line next to the posters they're telling those secrets about.

You mean like those who don't know the difference between "magic" and "miracles"? Omphalos and Embedded Age? fetus and child in the womb? ex nihilo and ex materia? geocentrism and general relativity? Allah and JEHOVAH? Lucifer and King Cyrus? KJB and NIV? diabolical mimicry and syncretism? contradictory stories and frame stories? contradictions and paradoxes? making things up and ministry of reconciliation? global and local? 7 continents or 5? babe in the womb or heating fuel? science that is for the Bible and science that is against the Bible? bronze and brass? "he" and "she"?

 

[quatona]

Science can.

No, it can´t, and it doesn´t attempt to, in the first place.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it can´t, and it doesn´t attempt to, in the first place.

Science can't rule out Puff the magic dragon? or Harvey the 6' rabbit?

 

[quatona]

Science can't rule out Puff the magic dragon? or Harvey the 6' rabbit?

The original statement was:
Nothing rules out magical invisible beings playing behind the scenes.

No, science can´t rule out Puff or Harvey playing behind the scenes.
(It can´t even rule them out having played on the scene, when they´re claimed to clean up after themselves.)

 

[AV1611VET]

No, science can´t rule out Puff or Harvey playing behind the scenes.

Dear me.

Science is more myopic than I thought.

 

[bhsmte]

Dear me.

Science is more myopic than I thought.

And yet, you would be living a far different life, without what you label; 'myopic'

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet, you would be living a far different life, without what you label; 'myopic'

So would you.

 

[quatona]

Dear me.

Science is more myopic than I thought.

Try to focus.
You could at least admit your error before you move on to making the next one.

 

[bhsmte]

So would you.

LOL

 

[AV1611VET]

Try to focus.

Please don't tell me to try to focus, when you guys' reading comprehension skills are so very poor.

You could at least admit your error before you move on to making the next one.

I guess I'll sit here then.

 

[quatona]

Please don't tell me to try to focus, when you guys' reading comprehension skills are so very poor.

As opposed to your claim, science can´t rule out invisible beings playing behind the scene.
If the fact that immediately move on to the next topic without admitting your error your error behind the next isn´t due to a lack of focus, it´s presumably due to your determination to obsfucate.

Which particular post did I misread, in your opinion?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

A chemical reaction explains all the coded information in DNA? Information that needs RNA to be interpreted and carried out by nano-biological machines?

The hypothesis is that the earliest life didn't have all those complexities, it was little more than vesicles with strands of RNA inside, or even just strands of RNA that could copy themselves in a matrix of organic chemicals. The complexity evolved over a billion years or so.

That doesn't indicate a designing mind to you? Amazing! How do you manage to ignore that and keep a stiff upper lip?

A little knowledge goes a long way (some understanding also required).

 

[SteveB28]

You mean like those who don't know the difference between "magic" and "miracles"?

There is no difference.

Miracles are a subset of magic.


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[AV1611VET]

There is no difference.

Miracles are a subset of magic.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[SteveB28]

Thanks for the QED.

Happy to point out your errors.



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[Astrophile]

I think I can understand why atheists are atheists. After all, professing Christians don't love each other as we should. We judge each other too harshly. We get hung up over all kinds of unimportant minutia. To the atheist, Christianity probably just looks like any other kooky cult because we generally don't accurately reflect the nature of our Creator.

But atheism has one fatal flaw. It assumes that the sum total of reality is what can be detected by the senses. Drop this assumption and the "magic" of miracles appears, the "pink unicorns" disappear, and the Creator God can become known.

This was not my experience. I learned in my 30s that the Bible is untrustworthy, and that it is full of contradictions, historical errors, false prophecies, atrocities, obscenities, and absurdities. Also, my experience with creationists made some contribution to my becoming an atheist; if Christians could believe such nonsense as young Earth creationism, how could I trust their judgment when they told me that Jesus was a real person, that he performed miracles and that he rose from the dead? The behaviour of Christians towards each other had very little effect on me; I would rather try to deal with the beam in my own eye than look for the mote in somebody else's.

 

[MissRowy]

United Church of God

They are non-Trinitarian.

Here is a list of some of their beliefs: doctrine

Thanks AV!

 

[Kylie]

The Puritans can take a hike.

I'm a Pilgrim sort of guy.

Doesn't change the fact that they were Christians who refused to celebrate Christmas.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks AV!

Ye are most welcome!