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The Strong Delusion
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in the midst of the delusion, zeke, in the midst of the delusion. Those in the delusion do not see truth, but lies. THe Holy Spirit surely is not present with such, is He?
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the.Sheepdog
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Not yet. The Holy Spirit does not leave until The Born again Church is removed at the rapture. I thought I just said that. (looks) I did!
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The Holy Spirit is within God's own. The Holy Spirit is not with those in the delusion.
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the.Sheepdog
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Maybe they will read it if you say it Brinny. They seem to think I write in Kanji. The Holy Spirit is sealed inside Born Again Believers. If the believers are gone then so is the Holy Spirit.
seems simple to me.
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Yes, the Holy Spirit doesn't leave God's own. The scary thing is that the Holy Spirit is not available to those in the delusion. It reminds me of the verse where God says He will not always strive with man.
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And from 1 John 4:
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
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HisdaughterJen
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Why not trust the Scriptures?
Daniel 11:
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Rev 13:
4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
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8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
According to Scriptures, a man, powered by the devil, performs miracles that deceive the wicked causing them to worship him and the devil, create an image which is given "life" and take a mark in their right hand or forehead.
God seals people that belong to him (Ezek 9) and the devil is copying God.
3And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
Daniel 11:
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Rev 13:
4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
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8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
According to Scriptures, a man, powered by the devil, performs miracles that deceive the wicked causing them to worship him and the devil, create an image which is given "life" and take a mark in their right hand or forehead.
God seals people that belong to him (Ezek 9) and the devil is copying God.
3And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
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Whoa! Wish i could visualize this. Do you think this is visible more in the spiritual realm?
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At the point in time when all of this is happening, it's happening in the earth realm.
An evil guy will rise up, given power by the devil, blaspheme God and the church who dwells in heaven, declare himself to be God, set up an image that is given "life" and force everyone to take a mark - sealing their fate as belonging to the devil, worshipping him, or die.
The fact that people fall for it is a big indicator that when God said it would be a powerful delusion, it will indeed be a POWERFUL DELUSION. Jesus said that it would be so powerful that it could deceive even the elect (of Israel) if it were possible to do so. It will take faith to believe in Christ when a powerful delusion is right before their eyes. Most people won't have that kind of faith and will be deceived.
The OP mentioned aliens...I think the fact that the beast/anti-christ/false prophet go out to gather the kings and armies of the earth to battle against an enemy that will be coming from the sky is a big indicator that "aliens" could very well be a part of the delusion.
REv 16:
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 19:
19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
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As you wish gents. You have complete liberty to believe as you will. All I really care is that you are born again. The rest is not a deal breaker to me. I would hate to see anyone left in that terrible state of Lost.
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The "miracles" are advanced technology, Jen. Not literal miracles. It will all be in line with secular science.
That's part of the reason I think that aliens might have something to do with the strong delusion.
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zeke37
IMO...
the strong delusion is that many of the potential bride of ChristAs could the theory of a pretrib rapture
will worship the son of Perdition as God returned,
and pre trib is a set up for that IMO,
because they already believe Christ comes first,
before the end time bad guy......
which is a lie
not that the antiChrist can actually remove folks from the planet,
but he can lie to them, and will....making some answer...that they will believe
and they will believe the lies
and worship him as Christ returned
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zeke37
IMO...
the Holy Spirit IS present with the ones that are not deluded
in the Great trib...
the elect from Smyrna and Phiadelphia...
the 2 candlesticks of Rev11 face the beast
but the rest....
4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
they do believe in Jesus,
but were blinded by God for a reason
so Christians that are fooled by the false Christ are not done away with
they were blinded so He can TRULY save them in the Lord's Day....Millennium
teaching them the lesson that He wants them to learn....by the elect firstfruits of Ez44, Rev5 and Rev20
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HisdaughterJen
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I believe you are correct. The crop circles and all the technology they are using to control the weather and geophysical events, as well as advances in DNA splicing and physics lends credence to that idea.
Credit the Freemasons with seeking what the fallen angels taught mankind 4000+ years ago....incomplete knowledge that leads only to destruction of mankind. They seek powers of the occult.
They think they know...they think they are gods. Modern man will look at their false miracles and "ooh/aah" just like a backwoods tribe might do seeing modern technology.
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