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None of those verses say we are to use scripture alone.
They say scripture is good, holy and God word, something we do not deny...
but they do not say and you can't show me becuase there is no scripture to show, that says it is all we are to use. Where's that verse?
sola scripture is a contradiction unto itself becuase if it were true, the bible itself would say weare to use scripture solely and don't... so...
Look, Dave, you may have fallen for all that Calvinist rhetoric but i don't and I wil never.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
[17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
All scripture is inspired by God is a strong statement.
Being profitable for teaching (meaning youcan learn truth from it)
For reproof (meaning you can use it as a basis for your conclusions, to even find where fault is.)
For correction (if someone is in error you can correct them by showing them the truth of inspired scripture. God's word is the authority.)
For training in righteousness (means that you can use it to learn what is righteous!, a huge statement)
That the man of God (means the elect who hear the voice of scripture)
May be complete (Complete means that nothing else needs to be added, means scripture alone is sufficient to make a man COMPLETE.)
Equipped for every good work (every, is a strong statement which means ther is not one single thing you need to do that scripture cannot show you.)
These two verses alone conclusively proove that scripture calls itself sufficient for everything needed to make a man complete in righteousness and goodness!
Sola Scriptura is clearly scriptural. These verses claim that. If you needed an interpreter it would have told you. Instead it says scripture is inspired by God. God didn't make a mistake. He made scripture so that it does the things these verses tell us it does.
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Yeah I know me neither, maybe its because we don't have the volumes of companion books supplied by the church meant to help define as if they are some type of watchtower trying to clarify things, all the while making God's word all the more confusing even while God is NOT the author of confusion, they continue to make His gospel more and more difficult adding continually to necessary dogma for salvation. In 1830 a catholic wouldn't hve had to dogmatically believe much that one NOW has to...
HMMM sounds like some perverting of HIS word going on to me.
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They say scripture is God breathed and profitable to use to teach but they do not say they are all we have... show me that verse Dave. Do not show me exegesis, I have mine own and it blows yours away.
If you truly want to be sola scripture.. I will hold those feet of yours to the fire... let's play "bible only", no exegesis, show me where the bible says only, that the bible is the sole rule of faith?
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Well Monica, it's not like he has shown us anything objective here other then his subjective Calvinist interpretation of scripture based on a pre concocted premise that the scriptures do not support alone or independant of this premise of John Calvins' (which makes the whole sola scripture notion contradictory).
*shrug*... the fact that he argues this as if he is arguing with something totally objective is what I find interesting.
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They say scripture is God breathed and profitable to use to teach but they do not say they are all we have... show me that verse Dave. Do not show me exegesis, I have mine own and it blows yours away.
If you truly want to be sola scripture.. I will hold those feet of yours to the fire... let's play "bible only", no exegesis, show me where the bible says only, that the bible is the sole rule of faith?
Read the above post again. It is inspired by God and makes a man complete.
There is no more complete word than complete. It means you need nothing else.
The scriptures are inspired by God.
There you go.
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They say scripture is God breathed and profitable to use to teach but they do not say they are all we have... show me that verse Dave. Do not show me exegesis, I have mine own and it blows yours away.
If you truly want to be sola scripture.. I will hold those feet of yours to the fire... let's play "bible only", no exegesis, show me where the bible says only, that the bible is the sole rule of faith?
and I want you to note Dave that I have not busted out any of the ECF writings against you to prove my biblical premises... I'm really trying to respect and play by this sola scripture deal fairly.
Lets use scripture only... lets leave out the exegesis. Show me where it says we are to only use scripture as our sole rule of faith? Show me where we are not to use the oral traditions of the apostles and we are to only use their letters and gospel accounts and the OT books? 7 of which you leave out but I digress on that.
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Well Monica, it's not like he has shown us anything objective here other then his subjective Calvinist interpretation of scripture based on a pre concocted premise that the scriptures do not support alone or independant of this premise of John Calvins' (which makes the whole sola scripture notion contradictory).
*shrug*... the fact that he argues this as if he is arguing with something totally objective is what I find interesting.
I have shown you scriptures. You have shown me nothing but ideas.
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No honey, you read it again, it says nothing of the sort that we are to use scripture ONLY.
We all know the word of God makes us complete but Hon, where does the bible say the written letter, the OT books and the gosples of the apostles is all of God's word??
Where does it say that Dave???
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2 Timothy 3:16-17
Conclusively prooves sola scriptura.
Scripture makes a man COMPLETE! God didn't leave anything out.
It needs not say anything else it nailed it.
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If you needed anything else it wouldn't have told you you it makes man COMPLETE.
Do you not see that?
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Calvin stuff?
Calvin is simply the theologian I agree with the most.
I believe the scriptures. Calvin just happend to agree with me.
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No becuase its not there.
If the bible is the sole rule of faith we have, where do we find this teaching?
If it is not in scripture (which its not) and if we look out side of scripture to 'see it' like the way you have, looking to the reformation and to Protestant commentary and apology- then guess what? You just disproved sola scripture.
How about you just show me the teaching that says we are to use ONLY the written down traditions and not the oral traditions?
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No becuase its not there.
If the bible is the sole rule of faith we have, where do we find this teaching?
If it is not in scripture (which its not) and if we look out side of scripture to 'see it' like the way you have, looking to the reformation and to Protestant commentary and apology- then guess what? You just disproved sola scripture.
How about you just show me the teaching that says we are to use ONLY the written down traditions and not the oral traditions?
2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
[17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
There it is. Sola Scriptura. Makes man complete.
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Calvin stuff?
Calvin is simply the theologian I agree with the most.
I believe the scriptures. Calvin just happend to agree with me.
You have been indoctrinated and that is why you read the scriptures the way you do.
we all do that, it's okay to do that but we must look closely at where our premise comes from and why we believe it?
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2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
[17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
There it is. Sola Scriptura. Makes man complete.
Yes, all scripture is inspired by God... doesn't say only scripture is inspried by God.
and if all scripture is inspired by God then why do you reject the 7 books? It's scripture.. no theologian alive disputes that, and Paul said all scripture is inspired so there you go.
and...
my bible says perfect not complete but yes scripture does perfect us (sanctfy us) and with scripture we are furnished (sanctified) to do every good work out there but there is no scripture that say it does solely.
I'm looking for that verse Dave, can you show it to me?
Now do you see why it is futile to throw scripture around?
We all have our interpretations.
You have no more God given authority to interpret the bible then I have. I'm just as good as you are to interpret.
What you need to do is give me a good reason why I should reject my interpretation that comes down to us from the apostles, the lens I read the bible through is that of the early Church.. I'm all ears, tell me why I should abandon that and and go for a 16th century revisionist interpretation instead...?
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