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[Laus_Deo]

Actually an Orthodox can receive communion in The RC...and the pope labeled the Orthodox the "lungs" of the RC so it sounds like you have many different denominations within the Catholic Church and many in The Orthodox Church...so your church seems to have differerent denominations which are labeled as "rites".

Lets get the facts straight

Orthodox are not lungs to the Church or anything else LOL
What you must be referring to is that Eastern and Western Rite Catholics are likw right and left lungs. But we are the same thing.

An Orthodox cannot receive communion unless it is a very special circumstance and it must be approved. Else they CANNOT
I don't think would want to anyways


There are NO denominations within the Church.
There are Rites within the Church is correct, but they are not denominations, in fact the Church is not a denomination.

The Catholic Encyclopedia describes the situation this way: "Within the Catholic Church ... Canonical rites, which are of equal dignity, enjoy the same rights, and are under the same obligations. Although the particular churches possess their own hierarchy, differ in liturgical and ecclesiastical discipline, and possess their own spiritual heritage, they are all entrusted to the pastoral government of the Roman pontiff, the divinely appointed successor of St. Peter in the Primacy."1

We are in full communion with each other.

 

[simonthezealot]

I am a Christian a member of CHRIST's body the TRUE church.
Nothing to do with Rome west/east or anything similar.
I deny the doctrine taught within either branch.
It's true there is only one hurch, the body of Christ! WHICH I am a member.

 

[benedictaoo]

That is simply a rumor started to validate the RC's existence....

You have some reputable evidence that can back up that bold claim?

 

[DD2008]

*sigh* .... you are arbitrarly assuming a very rigid meaning to this that creates a false dichotomy. You are basically saying scripture is the only thing that can perfect a person.. it's not. GRACE makes us complete Dave. Jesus perfects us.

God speaks to us through the scriptures Bene, He inspired them.

It's not a bad thing. It's a very good thing. The scriptures are a great gift from God.

 

[benedictaoo]

God speaks to us through the scriptures Bene, He inspired them.

It's not a bad thing. It's a very good thing. The scriptures are a great gift from God.

and you can keep your false dichotomies all to yourself Mister.

I KNOW!!!!! God speaks to us through the scriptures.. I KNOW!!!!! They are His inspired word.

So?

Are you saying He is limited to the bible and can not work outside of it?

So as you can see, no verse says that the scriptures are our sole rule of faith.

I'm really surprised (not really, all Prots do this) that you think you have made a case for sole scripture based on one line that says scriptures perfect us.

The message in them can (if we heed it) but that does not = it's our sole rule. You jump from the letter A all the way to the letter Z with this one.

 

[lilrose]

Rites=denominations...and Pope JP 2 stated the orthodox were the lungs of the RC...so there is no need to deny it.


John Paul also saw disappointment in other areas, particularly ecumenical relations with Eastern Orthodox churches. Throughout his papacy, he reached with conviction and determination toward Orthodoxy. As history's first Slavic pope, he was in a good position to help bring about a reconciliation between Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy, whose relations have yet to fully recover from their tumultuous 11th century schism.

The pope called the two great branches of Christianity the faith's "lungs." The church universal, he said, needed both. There are an estimated 300 million members of Eastern Orthodox churches, including the Russian and Greek Orthodox Churches.
dailypress.com/topic/la-pope-story,0,1373700.sto


What did Pope John Paul II do to reconcile Orthodox Slavs and Roman Catholic Slavs ..... contempt for the Serbian Orthodox people and the Serbian Orthodox Church. ... He asked that the Christian Church “breathe again with its two lungs. ...
.serbianna.com/columns/savich/063.shtm

 

[benedictaoo]

Rites=denominations

Says who? Cite this please.

If they are in union with the pope... guess what? It's ONE Church. Church being defined as an apostolic seat.

 

[DD2008]

I KNOW!!!!! God speaks to us through the scriptures.. I KNOW!!!!! They are His inspired word.

So?

So? So nothing outside of scripture is binding on the conscience of the believer. Prayer to anyone other than God is certainly outside of scripture and is highly suspect activity. Nothing needs to be added to scripture.

Christ prayed to God. We should imitate Christ.

Hebrews 5:7-10
[7] In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard for his godly fear.
[8] Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered;
[9] and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
[10] being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchiz'edek.

 

[lilrose]

Says who? Cite this please.

If they are in union with the pope... guess what? It's ONE Church. Church being defined as an apostolic seat.

Rite is play on words.

 

[Laus_Deo]

Rite is play on words.

Your don't make any sense with your posts. Can you give direct links to the disinformation you are claiming to know.

I await. thanks

 

[PETE_]

why does the church have differet rites?

 

[DD2008]

why does the church have differet rites?

They have various rites because of various developed traditions in various parts of the world. All the Eastern Rites are in full communion with the Vatican.

Here are the ones I know of:

Latin Rite
Antiochian Rite
Byzantine Rite
Alexandrian Rite
Chaldean Rite
Armenian Rite

Each of these rites have Churches that are generally designated by their nationality.

The Latin Rite the Byzantine Rite and the Antiochian Rite have always been in communion. The churches of the other 3 rites have at some point in their history been separated from Rome.

The Antiochian rite is the one that has the Maronite Church. The Byzantine Rite is the one that has the Slovak and Albanian Churches.

The Churches called Orthodox are not in communion with Rome but would fit into the Byzantine rite for the most part.

 

[Polycarp1]

why does the church have differet rites?

Same reason that the Swedish Lutherans conduct services in Swedish, with different ceremonies than do the German Lutherans, in German, and the various groups of American Lutherans, in English. Same Church -- they're united in one body, but with various national 'churches' or 'rites' that use different languages and often have different customs during worship.

(Another example might be Seventh Day Adventists, which have national groups and conduct services in different languages in different nations. There are probably a lot of other good examples as well.

 

[Polycarp1]

They have various rites because of various developed traditions in various parts of the world. All the Eastern Rites are in full communion with the Vatican.

Here are the ones I know of:

Latin Rite
Antiocene Rite
Byzantine Rite
Alexandrian Rite
Chaldean Rite
Armenian Rite

Each of these rites have Churches that are generally designated by their nationality.

The Latin Rite the Byzantine Rite and the Antiocene Rite have always been in communion. The churches of the other 3 rites have at some point in their history been separated from Rome.

The Antiocene rite is the one that has the Maronite Church. The Byzantine Rite is the one that has the Slovak and Albanian Churches.

The Churches called Orthodox are not in communion with Rome but would fit into the Byzantine rite for the most part.

Nice. Two corrections -- I think there are a total of 22 Catholic rites, some of which are very small (e.g., the Italo-Albanians, with something like a dozen churches on the 'heel' of Italy across the sea from Albania).

Eastern Orthodoxy is, as you say, mostly Byzantine Rite, in a variety of languages (Greek, Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian...) and also includes the Georgian Church and the Antiochan Orthodox Church (usually with services in Arabic, and Antiochene rite). The Oriental Orthodox (non-Chalcedonians) include the Armenians, the Syrian Orthodox (Jacobites), and the Copts of Egypt and Ethiopia/Eritrea.

 

[PETE_]

They have different languages and customs but all of their beliefs are the same?

 

[Laus_Deo]

We all believe the same thing with all things. But for example the sacraments may be administered slightly different or the Liturgy may be done somewhat differently. All because of centuries of cultural influences.
IOW some things are done differently, none done contrary to one another though, but all agreeing, in union.
I hope someone can explain it better than me though.

 

[Laus_Deo]

They have different languages and customs but all of their beliefs are the same?

Yes Pete. You said it better than me

 

[DD2008]

Nice. Two corrections -- I think there are a total of 22 Catholic rites, some of which are very small (e.g., the Italo-Albanians, with something like a dozen churches on the 'heel' of Italy across the sea from Albania).

Eastern Orthodoxy is, as you say, mostly Byzantine Rite, in a variety of languages (Greek, Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian...) and also includes the Georgian Church and the Antiochan Orthodox Church (usually with services in Arabic, and Antiochene rite). The Oriental Orthodox (non-Chalcedonians) include the Armenians, the Syrian Orthodox (Jacobites), and the Copts of Egypt and Ethiopia/Eritrea.

Right Thanks. It branches out from there. I shouldn't be so lazy.

Alexandrian Rite
Coptic
Abyssinian

Byzantine Rite
Georgian
Albanian
Bulgarian
Russian
White Russian
Ruthenian
Greek
Hungarian
Slovak
Italo-Albanian
Ukranian
Yugoslav
Melkite
Romanian

Latin Rite
Roman Catholic

Antiochian Rite
Malankarese
Maronite
Syrian

Chaldean Rite
Chaldean
Syro-Malbarese

Armenian Rite
Armenians

 

[DD2008]

They have different languages and customs but all of their beliefs are the same?

That's highly debatable....

 

[Thekla]

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-- Orthodox (781)

ahem

Its likely been asked before (and before, etc. ...)

Are they counting jurisdictions and autocephalous as different without recognising the "in communion" status ?