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This is only my 2d post on this forum: i also agree that homosexuality is a sin and is against everything God has taught us in the Bible.

What i wish to ask/point out: have any of you ever heard, in all of recorded human history, of a civilization doing this, homosexual "marriages" sanctioned by the State? i have never heard of it and that fact is one of the strong indicaters to me that these are the end times. i am interested in hearing other's opinions.
 
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thunderbyrd said:
This is only my 2d post on this forum: i also agree that homosexuality is a sin and is against everything God has taught us in the Bible.

What i wish to ask/point out: have any of you ever heard, in all of recorded human history, of a civilization doing this, homosexual "marriages" sanctioned by the State? i have never heard of it and that fact is one of the strong indicaters to me that these are the end times. i am interested in hearing other's opinions.
Yes I entirely agree with you, as I said before, I believe that it is one of the last signs of our depravity of God. Why? In Romans 1, the apostle Paul gives us a list of sins that Christians are to abstain from then he says that because these sins are commited people are turned over to a 'reprobate mind' which ends in homosexuality. Well, does everyone who continues to live in sin eventually become gay? NO, absolutely not. That's why I think that Paul was speaking prophetically to man as a whole not to individuals. IOW, that as time goes on and people continue to sin that after many many years (like maybe 2005 years later :wink:) man's last sign of depravity would occur and even there sexuality would be mixed up. Same with with Sodom and Gommorah.
 
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Yes, Sodom and Gomorrah probably had state condoned homosexual unions. You might wonder if the pre-flood society did as well.

I think the Romans might have, but I am not sure.

Cheers,
Zz

PS Homosexuality is a sin. Romans 1, 1 Cor. 6.19-20 and Genesis 1-2 make this very clear. Also read Leviticus.
 
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I like to be careful when quoting the old Testament as it can be contradicted so easily, as in this joke letter to Dr. Laura:

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.


I try to remember that Jesus radified the old Testament, a lot of things changed after that
 
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Actually it doesn't take long to deal with the questions you have asked. Some friends of mine wrote a reply not so long ago:

Q. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?



A. No. You need a Israelite priest to offer the sacrifice for you in the
 
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Q. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?



A. No. You need a Israelite priest to offer the sacrifice for you in the
 
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http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/laura.html

I don't know why I cannot post it all, but use the link above to access the information.

Really, we shouldn't be put off from using the Scripture to make Biblical points because of the nit-picking and whinging of some heathen!
 
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Well I do not think that homosexuality is right. I mean God made man and women. I can't find anywhere in the BIBLE where it states that God created man for man or woman for woman. However, I can find in the BIBLE where God destroyed a city because of homosexuality..

The bottom line is IT'S WRONG!!!!!!!!
 
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Hey there,
I was just wondering what could possibly be worrying about the legalization of gay unions. Monogomous relationships are monogomous relationships. And monogomous relationships are far better and healthier than a promiscuous lifestyle. Yes? So, since Elton John (or anyone else) is still going to be gay whether or not a lifelong, monogomous union is allowed, wouldnt it be better, and more healthy for such a union to be allowed. As a Christian seeking the best for all beings, the alternative to this, promoting promiscuity, seems much more worrying.
With Love,
Gregory:)
 
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GregorytheGood said:
Hey there,
I was just wondering what could possibly be worrying about the legalization of gay unions. Monogomous relationships are monogomous relationships. And monogomous relationships are far better and healthier than a promiscuous lifestyle. Yes? So, since Elton John (or anyone else) is still going to be gay whether or not a lifelong, monogomous union is allowed, wouldnt it be better, and more healthy for such a union to be allowed. As a Christian seeking the best for all beings, the alternative to this, promoting promiscuity, seems much more worrying.
With Love,
Gregory:)

It is not an either/ or choice, is it.

Either we allow homosexuals "marriage" or we allow promiscuity. Sex is for one man, and one woman for life. Not for promiscuity, not for homosexuality.

Both are wrong, and both should be legalised against.

We are seeking the best for all people: but the best is not found in homosexuality. not at all.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

P.S.

1 Cor. 6.19-20
Lev 23.
Genesis 1 and 2

Cheers.
 
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daughteroftheking1983 said:
I don't know how many of you are from the UK but I am sure that most of you are aware that civil partnerships between gay couples have just been made legal in Britain. One of the most high profile of these is the "marriage" of Elton John and David Furnish, but perhaps the most worrying ones that I have seen in the papers have been between ministers, particularly C of E clergy.

What are your thoughts?

3 words... It's about time.
 
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mootay said:
i would just challenge you to not call them anything,to shoebox them. rather to adress them like a child of christ who has fallen victim to the temptations and evils of this world. i cant stress enough the importance of seeing people not of there ways of beliefs but as humans.there is only one way and that is to hear and see the people. as soon as you adress them or make them feel different to you thats when they will no longer hear you.

Thank you for your kind words of reason.
 
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LOTR said:
That is what we say, but what do they feel? How often do we get vocal about such a personal aspect of someone’s life? Name calling, no matter how accurate, will rarely bring someone into the fold.

Calling a thief a thief does not attack the core of whom they are; calling a homosexual a pervert does. Rather than go on a negative rampage I became curious as to why someone would live this way so I sat down and had a discussion without pointing fingers; both sides were enriched because of it.

You are a breath of fresh air.
 
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Zzub said:
Oh come on!!!


So, because one day living by the truth could be illegal, I cannot suggest that an abomination to the Lord should be illegal. That is not a sensible argument. It was illegal in Eden, illegal in Israel, and will be illegal in heaven. Let God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven means no homosexuality should be legal on earth.

Cheers,
Zzub:thumbsup:

Hmmm... illegal in Eden? I wonder where the Bible says that. And isn't it interesting that no mention of women sleeping together is ever made in the Mosaic Law... could it be because men had more than one wife in their beds?
 
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