The Sola Scriptura is erroneous

[Nick Moser]

 

[faroukfarouk]

The idea of arguing from Scripture can't just be dismissed...

"Thy Word is truth" (John 17.17).

 

[Nick Moser]

The idea of arguing from Scripture can't just be dismissed...

But are they accurately reading the Scriptures?In 2 Tim. 3:17 says that the man of God is "perfect, furnished to every good work." As we noted above, this verse means only that the man of God is fully supplied with Scripture; it is not a guarantee that he automatically knows how to interpret it properly.

 

[faroukfarouk]

But are they accurately reading the Scriptures?In 2 Tim. 3:17 says that the man of God is "perfect, furnished to every good work." As we noted above, this verse means only that the man of God is fully supplied with Scripture; it is not a guarantee that he automatically knows how to interpret it properly.

The Holy Spirit is a better guide than leaving it to clergy. Romans 8 - in which Father, Son and Holy Spirit feature crucially - is a case in point.

 

[☦Marius☦]

The Holy Spirit is a better guide than leaving it to clergy. Romans 8 - in which Father, Son and Holy Spirit feature crucially - is a case in point.

Its not left up to clergy however, but church councils and synods, the former being under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Its not left up to clergy however, but church councils and synods, the former being under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16.13-15) (I don't see any mention of councils.)

 

[☦Marius☦]

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16.13-15) (I don't see any mention of councils.)

He is speaking to all the apostles when he says this. So what did the apostles do after Pentecost when an issue arose? They held the first council.

They finished with the words:
"For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us"

 

[faroukfarouk]

He is speaking to all the apostles when he says this. So what did the apostles do after Pentecost when an issue arose? They held the first council.

They finished with the words:
"For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us"

...but local Christians today can't then claim Acts 2 as authority for supposedly new revelation.

 

[☦Marius☦]

...but local Christians today can't then claim Acts 2 as authority for supposedly new revelation.

All "revelation" is drawn from scripture. We don't add to scripture, we merely interpret with the help of the Spirit. That is how we overcame the vile heresies of the first 7 centuries of Christianity.

 

[Radagast]

The Sola Scriptura is erroneous

Really, what's the point?

Some guy who doesn't understand Sola Scriptura gives a speech about how he doesn't like Sola Scriptura.

"... we are not entitled to such license, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings." -- Gregory of Nyssa

 

[Athanasius377]

That's great rebuttal to position that is NOT sola Scriptura. I prefer the first definition and application of Sola Scriptura below. It should be noted that the position of most Reformation Protestants that hold to this position is over and against Tradition. Not that all Tradition is wrong or bad and is even good for the Church. Tradition is always judged by Scripture.


Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation

Bray, G. (2009). The Faith We Confess: An Exposition of the Thirty-Nine Articles (p. 41). London: The Latimer Trust.

Or this:


1 1. We believe, teach, and confess that the only rule and norm according to which all teachings, together with ‹all› teachers, should be evaluated and judged [2 Timothy 3:15–17] are the prophetic and apostolic Scriptures of the Old and New Testament alone. For it is written in Psalm 119:105, “Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.” St. Paul has written, “even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8).
2 However, other writings by ancient or modern teachers—no matter whose name they bear—must not be regarded as equal to the Holy Scriptures. All of them are subject to the Scriptures [1 Corinthians 14:32]. Other writings should not be received in any other way or as anything more than witnesses that show how this ‹pure› doctrine of the prophets and apostles was preserved after the time of the apostles, and at what places.


McCain, P. T. (Ed.). (2005). Concordia: The Lutheran Confessions (p. 473). St. Louis, MO: Concordia Publishing House.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Really, what's the point?

Some guy who doesn't understand Sola Scriptura gives a speech about how he doesn't like Sola Scriptura.

There are as many different definitions of "sola scriptura" as there are people who believe in it. That's not the sign of a stable doctrine.

 

[ripple the car]

Sola Scriptura actually made sense to me for years. And it's much better than no Scripture. A turning point, though, was realizing that there was just no way that I could accurately figure out what Scripture meant. My own thoughts on its meaning shifted; so which view was right? Listening to multitudes of sermons where Baptist pastors and seminarians mangled the heck out of verses relating to salvation, apostasy, and works just confirmed that we need help.

 

[Albion]

Another thread against the authority of Scripture. Whoopeeee.

 

[W2L]

The word of God is alive. You cant say the same for the words of men.

 

[Tayla]

As we noted above, this verse means only that the man of God is fully supplied with Scripture; it is not a guarantee that he automatically knows how to interpret it properly.

Here's how I think of it: Without scripture, we moderns would be lost. Maybe in the early Church before they had the Bible they didn't need scripture; maybe interpreting it has challenges; but there is no better alternative. And let's not forget, the early church fathers referred to it constantly in their writings, considering it essential.

 

[Soyeong]

In Acts 17:11, the Bereans were praised because they diligently tested everything that Paul told them against OT Scripture to see if what Paul said was true and Sola Scriptura is essentially saying that we should follow their example whenever someone tries to teach us something. The NT authors quoted or alluded to the OT thousands of times in order to establish that it supported what they said and to show that they didn't depart from it either to the right or to the left, so teachers can certainly be valuable, but anything that they say should be rejected if it is not in accordance with OT Scripture.

 

[Afra]

Another thread against the authority of Scripture. Whoopeeee.

The thread is not against the authority of Sacred Scripture. What you wrote is false.

 

[Radagast]

Sola Scriptura actually made sense to me for years. And it's much better than no Scripture. A turning point, though, was realizing that there was just no way that I could accurately figure out what Scripture meant. My own thoughts on its meaning shifted; so which view was right? Listening to multitudes of sermons where Baptist pastors and seminarians mangled the heck out of verses relating to salvation, apostasy, and works just confirmed that we need help.

Sola Scriptura does not mean "me and my Bible on our own."

 

[thecolorsblend]

In Acts 17:11, the Bereans were praised because they diligently tested everything that Paul told them against OT Scripture to see if what Paul said was true and Sola Scriptura is essentially saying that we should follow their example whenever someone tries to teach us something. The NT authors quoted or alluded to the OT thousands of times in order to establish that it supported what they said and to show that they didn't depart from it either to the right or to the left, so teachers can certainly be valuable, but anything that they say should be rejected if it is not in accordance with OT Scripture.

The Bereans were doing the opposite of “sola scriptura”. The jews who chased St. Paul out of Thessalonica were the ones who were following “sola scriptura”.